Ongoing 2007 Mock Draft Thread

[ice grillin you]

elkton used to be the marriage capital of the east coast

[NGM]

First RJS and SunMo and now Dio and the Biscuit, things are getting a little too chummy around here.

On Thread post: draft Lando Griffen. 

[Diomedes]

You and your brother are a little too preoccupied with the draft for my taste.  And I've actually attended three of them.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

draft Lando

Yes.

[NGM]

You and your brother are a little too preoccupied with the draft for my taste.  And I've actually attended three of them.

We have addictive personalities. 

[Diomedes]

the best personality a man can have, if you ask me

[Munson]

The argument is can they afford to sign him AND help the team in other areas? No, they really can't.

Wrong.  The cap hit for this year would be less than $4 million.

on an 18,000,000 dollar signing bonus?

Wasn't TO's cap number for the first year of his similar contract a little over 7 million on the first year, with a smaller signing bonus?


7.2 million to be exact, on a total salary value for the first year of over 9 million.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

The Eagles chose to structure much of TO's bonus as a roster bonus so as to not delay the cap hit.

They did this for two reasons:

1.  His volatile personality could cause him to be cut early in the contract, and lumping too much money into a signing bonus would put a ton of cap risk on the team in the future.

2.  They had the cap room to do it that way.


1. is not true of Donte, and you better bet that if 2. is more true than you obviously believe, they will milk as much of this year's cap as possible.

That said, the minimum cap hit for any given deal is the bonus money divided by the years plus the minimum yearly salary.  In this case, that would be less than $4 million.

You lose.

[rjs246]

You lose.

You're forgetting the magic of Munson.

You prove him wrong over and over again and yet he keeps posting progressively longer, inaccurate horseshtein.

I never thought I would say it, but this site needs an ignore function.

[Diomedes]

It came standard issue with your brain.  Use it.

[SunMo]

You fail to realize that Heckert said this BEFORE Rosenhaus let it be known that Donte wants THAT much cash. I think even you weren't expecting Stallworth to be asking for that kind of top 5 WR in the NFL money.

It's funny...when Heckert or whoever else says something to the press that you like and agree with, they must be telling the truth. But any other time...they're liars. laugh

this is why your a moron...

you really think the Eagles were shocked by what Stallworth wants?  honestly?  are you that dumb.

and, it's easy to assume Heckert is telling the truth about the cap, because he's actually making himself look worse by saying what he said.  it would be in his benefit to say, "we'd like to sign him, but we just can't due to our cap situation"  instead, he's sticking the FO collective necks out even further by saying they could sign him if they want.

just get off it already.

[Munson]

The Eagles chose to structure much of TO's bonus as a roster bonus so as to not delay the cap hit.

They did this for two reasons:

1.  His volatile personality could cause him to be cut early in the contract, and lumping too much money into a signing bonus would put a ton of cap risk on the team in the future.

2.  They had the cap room to do it that way.


1. is not true of Donte, and you better bet that if 2. is more true than you obviously believe, they will milk as much of this year's cap as possible.

That said, the minimum cap hit for any given deal is the bonus money divided by the years plus the minimum yearly salary.  In this case, that would be less than $4 million.

You lose.

You're assuming Drew Rosenhaus is going to be friendly about these negotiations. It's all going to depend on the structure and language of the contract, that will determine how much more money they have to spend on other FA's, including thier own. It's going to take a little bit of coin to keep Thomas, Mikell, and Peterson here...all of which need to stay in order to keep the Eagles defense from being in total freefall in case of injury or just plain suck-ness.

IF Donte's hit is only 4 million, that leaves the Eagles at about...lets say 6 million according to current cap predictions. Now how much of that is set aside for the draft, how much of that is gained or lost when the salaries jump next year? How much can they get back by cutting Dhani and Jerome? I would think that if it was feasable to do all that and sign Stallworth, then they will do it. If not, obviously they know something we don't about what they can and can't do to improve the cap situation and get everything they need done. They KNOW they need Stallworth...if they don't resign him it's because they're some big evil FO, it's because they balanced the need of Stallworth vs. the money it wil ltake to keep him here, and other needs of the team.

Of course we still have no idea what (if any) plans they have for this off season....If it's possible for them to suprise us by throwing money like this at Stallworth, then I guess it's possible for them to sign a guy like Adelius Thomas or trade for someone instead of giving that cash to Stallworth. And of course it's possible they leave a lot of money on the table by signing middle teir defenders and retaining thier other FA's like Juqua Thomas and Mikell

Plan and simple...since this thread IS about the draft...if Stallworth is gone, I want Meachem.
If they keep him...draft all defense for the love of god, because chances are you'll lose one or more key backups on an already hole-filled defense, and we'll again depend on rookies to fill in and contribute.

I'm not looking forward to either situation.

SunMo(thoguht it was igy, no caps staring sentences)-

and, it's easy to assume Heckert is telling the truth about the cap, because he's actually making himself look worse by saying what he said.  it would be in his benefit to say, "we'd like to sign him, but we just can't due to our cap situation"  instead, he's sticking the FO collective necks out even further by saying they could sign him if they want.

So...You're assuming he's telling the truth about how signing Stallworth would be easy to do by doing such and such with the cap, but it's making him look bad and sticking the FO's neck out even further? And doing that is to his benefit? Why would he say that they could easily get it done, and then NOT get it done? Just to make himself and the FO look bad when it doesn't happen? I'm sure they understand they'd piss off the entire fanbase by doing that.

[SD_Eagle5]

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Plan and simple...since this thread IS about the draft...if Stallworth is gone, I want Meachem.

Hell no.

They already used this year's 4th rounder on Stallworth.  Using any pick above that to "replace" him would be idiotic.

[General_Failure]

I can't help but think that this argument would be much more interesting if Stallworth had at least 39 catches last year.