Giants Talk

[Diomedes]

Give up yards,

... JJ doesn't give a farg about rushing yards.  The Eagles have gone to the NFCCG with one of the worst rushing D's in the league.

Ironically this compensated for AR's pass-happiness by making the other team kill the clock.

Huh?

[Cerevant]

Ironically this compensated for AR's pass-happiness by making the other team kill the clock.

Huh?

The offense was quick-strike or 3 and out...they never have had a grind-it-out, kill the clock offense under AR.  It has always been my twisted point of view that by giving up lots of rushing yards, but not giving up lots of points (we are talking about the past here people) the Eagles were letting the other team kill the clock for them. 

I didn't like it, but back then it seemed to work.  This is the only point I'm willing to concede to Moronson.

[Munson]

I said they ... have been playing like they used to when they were "good".

False

Give up yards,

True.  Everyone on this board should remember that JJ doesn't give a farg about rushing yards.  The Eagles have gone to the NFCCG with one of the worst rushing D's in the league.

Ironically this compensated for AR's pass-happiness by making the other team kill the clock.

keep opponents out of the endzone,

True.

and make the big play when it matters.

That's where your memory fails my misguided friend - it wasn't that the D would make a big play, but that they would not give up the big play.

It was all about the number of plays per point baby, and they were chewing up 5+ minutes on every drive.  With McNabb and co. scoring 24+ points/game, the other team didn't have time to catch up.

Guess what - this team is giving up the big play, and they aren't scoring like they used to.  I think the can beat the Giants, but I don't think it is likely that they will.

I'm talking about in the last few weeks, the laast two wins. Yeah the defense gave up a ton of yards...but when it came to crunch time, and someone had to step up, they did. Lito against Carolina, and Dawkins against the taterskins. They havn't given up a real "big" play in the last two victories, and the only TD they gave up to the taterskins was actually very good coverage by Sheldon, but Campbell made a terrific pass to Randel El and put it right where it needed to be. And they've also been making some plays throughout the couse of the games, with the Dawkins INT two weeks ago and the Gaither and MLew INT's on Sunday.

This defense thrives on being able to force turnovers and make plays, and we havn't seen a lot of that since early in the season with all the sacks. The last one I can remember before Lito's INT in Carolina was Lito's INT against Dallas. When this defense makes plays, forces turnovers, and really does bend but not break, then it doesn't matter how many yards they're giving up.

And IGY, the reason why I'm bringing up the Panthers is because you're sitting here pimping the Giants as some vastly superior team....the same Giants team that has lost 4 out of the last 5, with thier only win being against Carolina. So you're basing your opinion of them being vastly superior to the totally sucky Eagles because they finally won last week? Against the same Carolina team that the totally sucky Eagles beat? 

I'm not saying the Eagles will win...I'm saying they could win, and I've actually backed up why they can...Beacuse the defense has been playing better (yes, despite the yardage, they're still making plays and keeping teams to FG's when it counts), because Jeff Garcia doesn't totally suck like we all thought he would, and because Brian Westbrook can tear any team apart on any given day....The Giants have been terrible lately, Eli Manning has zero confidence, and the Eagles are going to be fired up for a division rival, in a game which actually could put them atop the NFC East, depending on the Dallas/Atlanta game.

Yes, I'm saying they could possibly win.. OMGHOMERKOOLAIDDRINKER@EAGDFSh$#

[rjs246]

Of course they could possibly win. That doesn't preclude you from being the (second) biggest clown on this board.

[Eaglez]

I think it will be a better game than what everyone is seemingly expecting. It will probably have a playoff feel and be decided in the 4th quarter. Both teams will make great plays, make some really stupid plays, and whoever plays better in the final possessions of the game will win it.

I'd give the edge to the Giants since they'll be playing at home with some intensity and something to prove, and they had a better win and looked more consistent last week against the Panthers. The Giants had a complete game against the Panthers last week; the Eagles had a nice first half.

[rjs246]

I'd give the edge to the Giants since they are so much better than the Eagles in almost every facet of the game and the only reason that they've been losing is because they have no respect for their head coach. Oh by the way, the Eagles are exactly the same in that category, only not as talented. Oops.

Fixed.

[mussa]

oh man, can't we all just get along? its like congress here the past few weeks. 

[PhilLeeD]

I don't see Dallas losing to Atlanta, unless Vick finds it it in himself to throw at least 2-3 Touchdowns and they find a running game...  And this is very unlikely to happen.  Falcons just ain't the Saints.  Just ask the Falcons.   

I think the Eagles can beat the Giants.  Even if Tiki gets off a few long ones, the birds have beat them in the past the same way.  The Eagles pass d can't afford to play around though.  Seems like the Giants some how find a passing game in all of their moaning and shouting when they are losing somehow.  But everyone here has to admit that Eli is sucking right now...

How come I can't reply to the NFC EAST Thread?  did it get stopped because all of the bickering?  haven't seen Leann Tweeden since Gene Simmons reality show a few weeks ago.  Big sister Shannon is still looking good!  "See what money does for you son?"  That's what I am gonna tell him some day!

[PhilLeeD]

"the Eagles were letting the other team kill the clock for them. "

That's friggin funny!  Sounds so much better like this though... 

The taterskins killed the hell out of the clock for the Eagles this week!  hahahahahah

[Cerevant]

I'm talking about in the last few weeks, the laast two wins.

No, you weren't, but if that is your current position, then shut the farg up about "when they were good".

[Cerevant]

"the Eagles were letting the other team kill the clock for them. "

That's friggin funny!  Sounds so much better like this though... 

The taterskins killed the hell out of the clock for the Eagles this week!  hahahahahah

Look, I'm not trying to say that AR says "wow, we really got killed in time of possession, good job guys!".  I'm just trying to get/give some insight as to why this coaching staff obviously doesn't give a shtein about the running game and time consuming drives.

[Munson]

I'm talking about in the last few weeks, the laast two wins.

No, you weren't, but if that is your current position, then shut the farg up about "when they were good".

Yes, I was.

When this team was "good" on defense, they gave up a ton of yaradge, especially on teh ground, but kept teams from getting into the endzone and forced turnovers. We didn't really see the big, drive stopping, game ending plays....we just don't have that kind of defense. But we have seen those big plays the last couple of weeks with Lito and Dawkins, in addition to keeping the teams from blowing the game wide open. While they have given up a big play in each game (screen pass TD, Randel El TD), they have been doing enough and making enouhg plays to keep the Eagles offense in the game. That's all we can ask of them right now.

If they can keep that up, then I don't give a farg how many yards they give up.

[ice grillin you]

having the 29th ranked rush defense and being 30th in TOP might work against the skins and panthers but its not going to work at the meadowlands against the giants

[Munson]

having the 29th ranked rush defense and being 30th in TOP might work against the skins and panthers but its not going to work at the meadowlands against the giants

Chyeah. Giants rule.

[ice grillin you]

age check?

you HAVE to be a teenager still