Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[SunMo]

on another topic....Pennsyltucky


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eVnMCguL04k

[smeags]

the government has exactly what they want ... the public at odds with each other thinking their side is the one actually looking out for them when in reality both sides are responsible for the shtein hole we're in.

great we'll have universal healthcare so now all the under/uneducated people in this country who still won't receive a good education can go get some medical care but still be too dumb to know how to fill out the forms.

yay

[phillycrew]

phillycrew, just remind me where in the constitution (which repubs claim to love, adore, and cherish) it says you can not fund the federal budget because you don't like a law that went through all proper channels, was attempted to be repealed 40+ times, and was upheld by the Supreme Court?  i can't find that part

Define proper channels?  The final vote tally for the Senate version of President Obama's health care reform legislation in the House was 219-212, with 34 Democrats joining all Republicans in opposition.  We also had the use of the reconciliation process on a non-budget bill.  IGY is the one who wants to swap parts of the Bill of Rights for Obamacare.

This is the 12th government shutdown since 1981.  Was this intended or written into the constitution, of course not.  Neither were political parties.  I come back to Churchill's - "Democracy is the worst form of government except for all those others that have been tried."

Another point of view:  http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-30/the-republicans-fighting-obamacare-aren-t-crazy.html

[MDS]

president blackie cant tell us what to do

we know!

[SunMo]

phillycrew, just remind me where in the constitution (which repubs claim to love, adore, and cherish) it says you can not fund the federal budget because you don't like a law that went through all proper channels, was attempted to be repealed 40+ times, and was upheld by the Supreme Court?  i can't find that part

Define proper channels?  The final vote tally for the Senate version of President Obama's health care reform legislation in the House was 219-212, with 34 Democrats joining all Republicans in opposition.  We also had the use of the reconciliation process on a non-budget bill.  IGY is the one who wants to swap parts of the Bill of Rights for Obamacare.

This is the 12th government shutdown since 1981.  Was this intended or written into the constitution, of course not.  Neither were political parties.  I come back to Churchill's - "Democracy is the worst form of government except for all those others that have been tried."

Another point of view:  http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-30/the-republicans-fighting-obamacare-aren-t-crazy.html

that article states my opinion, that the republicans should not be using this tactic to protest this legally passed law. 

[ice grillin you]

if the country didnt pass a budget everytime someone was butt hurt over a law they didnt agree with there wouldnt be a country

I thought harry reid said it well yesterday...the tea party are basically anarchists

[ice grillin you]

marxist revolutionary (and noted muslim terrorist) barrack obama first closed the national parks and next will murder the citizens of the country


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PItjzO0vhMI#t=11

[phillycrew]

president blackie cant tell us what to do

we know!

It's always about race with you isn't it?  I hope you are able to get help for all that self-hate.  Push away from the computer and take a walk sometime.  Now I better run off with my republican friends and dine on the souls of the minorities and drink from the tears of the poor.  Deeeeelish.

[General_Failure]

You're going to Taco Bell?

[phillycrew]

You're going to Taco Bell?

The Taco Bell/KFC gas station.  Inside the walmart.  On top of the indian burial grounds.

[MDS]

did you listen to rush today

[Diomedes]

I've got a way out of this problem:  allow people to opt out of the requirement to have health insurance. 

Here's how it would work.  There would be an Obamacare type system involving for profit companies, or a single payer system that offers health insurance, it doesn't matter which.  You either join it or you don't.  Limited, defined open enrollment periods to keep people from hopping on board just when they get sick, etc.  Now, you're free to opt out.  BUT....if you opt out, you will not receive ANY care you cannot afford.  If you have the coin, great, you get served.  If not...we aren't going to pay for your slacker ass and good luck with that bad ticker, exploding boil, or metastatizing cancer.  You wanted freedom and you got it.

This would never work.  Hospitals have to take you in the E.R., and if they do not treat you and you die or serious injury, they get sued.  In addition, they may lose their accreditation and any public money.

I am beginning to think you aren't serious, or you are stupid, or you just aren't listening/reading.  Of course that's not how it works now.  My point is..CHANGE the system so that the only way you get care is if you can afford it.  That is, you either have health insurance, which can be had by anyone and everyone regardless of income, either by some kind of public/private partnership such as Obamacare or by a single payer government system, OR you have money and you can just pay for it. 

Allow people to opt out entirely if they don't like these options, but if they do opt out and need care, they only get what they can pay for.

Everyone needs health care and everyone uses it and if we're going keep it so that everyone can get it no matter what then you also have to make it so that everyone pays something for it.  It's a conservative idea, actually:  personal responsibility.  You have to do everything you can to support yourself and for those who do so, the rest of us will gladly fill the gap to help them (and ourselves in the long run) get by and thrive.

[phillycrew]

I've got a way out of this problem:  allow people to opt out of the requirement to have health insurance. 

Here's how it would work.  There would be an Obamacare type system involving for profit companies, or a single payer system that offers health insurance, it doesn't matter which.  You either join it or you don't.  Limited, defined open enrollment periods to keep people from hopping on board just when they get sick, etc.  Now, you're free to opt out.  BUT....if you opt out, you will not receive ANY care you cannot afford.  If you have the coin, great, you get served.  If not...we aren't going to pay for your slacker ass and good luck with that bad ticker, exploding boil, or metastatizing cancer.  You wanted freedom and you got it.

This would never work.  Hospitals have to take you in the E.R., and if they do not treat you and you die or serious injury, they get sued.  In addition, they may lose their accreditation and any public money.

I am beginning to think you aren't serious, or you are stupid, or you just aren't listening/reading.  Of course that's not how it works now.  My point is..CHANGE the system so that the only way you get care is if you can afford it.  That is, you either have health insurance, which can be had by anyone and everyone regardless of income, either by some kind of public/private partnership such as Obamacare or by a single payer government system, OR you have money and you can just pay for it. 

Allow people to opt out entirely if they don't like these options, but if they do opt out and need care, they only get what they can pay for.

Everyone needs health care and everyone uses it and if we're going keep it so that everyone can get it no matter what then you also have to make it so that everyone pays something for it.  It's a conservative idea, actually:  personal responsibility.  You have to do everything you can to support yourself and for those who do so, the rest of us will gladly fill the gap to help them (and ourselves in the long run) get by and thrive.

I agree that everyone uses it but it would be very difficult to have doctors only offer treatment based on what you can afford.   The problem is that the technology and the cost has outpaced the average paycheck.  I agree with personal responsibilty and helping those who can't help themselves, the elderly, disabled and the kids.  The problem is that Obamacare does not bend the cost curve.  That is why the law needs to be amended.  Oh, and I don't listen to Rush like you do MDS.  I can't stand Fox news or right wing radio.

[ice grillin you]

I've got a way out of this problem:  allow people to opt out of the requirement to have health insurance. 

Here's how it would work.  There would be an Obamacare type system involving for profit companies, or a single payer system that offers health insurance, it doesn't matter which.  You either join it or you don't.  Limited, defined open enrollment periods to keep people from hopping on board just when they get sick, etc.  Now, you're free to opt out.  BUT....if you opt out, you will not receive ANY care you cannot afford.  If you have the coin, great, you get served.  If not...we aren't going to pay for your slacker ass and good luck with that bad ticker, exploding boil, or metastatizing cancer.  You wanted freedom and you got it.

This would never work.  Hospitals have to take you in the E.R., and if they do not treat you and you die or serious injury, they get sued.  In addition, they may lose their accreditation and any public money.

I am beginning to think you aren't serious, or you are stupid, or you just aren't listening/reading.  Of course that's not how it works now.  My point is..CHANGE the system so that the only way you get care is if you can afford it.  That is, you either have health insurance, which can be had by anyone and everyone regardless of income, either by some kind of public/private partnership such as Obamacare or by a single payer government system, OR you have money and you can just pay for it. 

Allow people to opt out entirely if they don't like these options, but if they do opt out and need care, they only get what they can pay for.

Everyone needs health care and everyone uses it and if we're going keep it so that everyone can get it no matter what then you also have to make it so that everyone pays something for it.  It's a conservative idea, actually:  personal responsibility.  You have to do everything you can to support yourself and for those who do so, the rest of us will gladly fill the gap to help them (and ourselves in the long run) get by and thrive.

Obamacare

rinse. wash. repeat

[Rome]

If it's such a conservative idea why have the elected conservatives in congress shut down the entire federal government in protest over it?