Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[SunMo]

1)  government doesn't count, different animal

2)  you slugs make enough money, stop stealing from america

[Sgt PSN]

1)  government doesn't count, different animal

lol

If a union was needed any where, it's working for the god damn gov't. 

[Diomedes]

You know who doesn't need a union?  The son of the boss. 

That SunMo has no appreciation of their value is the least surprising thing I've heard all day.

[hbionic]

You know who doesn't need a union?  The son of the boss. 

That SunMo has no appreciation of their value is the least surprising thing I've heard all day.

So right now would probably be a good time to say that I'm not really gay, I just really love penises?

[ice grillin you]

1)  government doesn't count, different animal

2)  you slugs make enough money, stop stealing from america

workers are workers and all should be treated fairly and protected...doesnt matter if you work for ford or the govt. everyone is still trying to make a living...and theres tons of people in the govt who make peanuts...no one in my warehouse makes more than 40k

lets be honest...you are only against unions because union shops take potential jobs from your company....if you worked for a union shop youd be all for them....you dont care or not care about the average worker...you care about the company you work for making as much money as possible because its better for you and if unions prevent that in any way you are against unions...nothing wrong with that but you dont have some kind of deep conviction when it comes to unions....in other words you arent anti union you are pro sunny

[SunMo]

lets be honest...you are only against unions because union shops take potential jobs from your company....if you worked for a union shop youd be all for them....you dont care or not care about the average worker...you care about the company you work for making as much money as possible because its better for you and if unions prevent that in any way you are against unions...nothing wrong with that but you dont have some kind of deep conviction when it comes to unions....in other words you arent anti union you are pro sunny

that's not true, we did $20M in work this year, so it's not like we are in need of work.  but even on union jobs, we simply hire a union installer and the issue is moot.  We did a $4M contract on the Meadowlands, and stadiums are probably the biggest union project there is.

my dislike of them stems from the way they work and attack non-union companies.  Philly doesn't get nearly the amount of convention business they should and most of that is attributed to the union.  The comcast center has miles of copper piping in its walls that isn't being used because the plummer's union was going to shut down the project due to waterless urinals being installed.  they create budgetary and schedule issues because their bullshtein constantly costs projects time and money.  You can have my ironworker cut wood shims for something he is installing because that's wood, so we need to wait for a union carpenter to get done his 45 minute break and go get a circular saw to cut some shims, a 10 minute project turned into an hour.  if it was simply a matter of workers being protected than i'm all for it, to each their own.  but the ripple effects of unions far outweigh the benefits they bring in the current state of affairs.

[SunMo]

You know who doesn't need a union?  The son of the boss. 

That SunMo has no appreciation of their value is the least surprising thing I've heard all day.

i know you're being a troll and trying to get me into a pissing contest with you so i'll just say you have no idea how much and how hard i work to be where i am in my company.  don't judge me because you have some preconceived notion of what you think i am.

[Munson]

teaching union, really?  that's your defense?  maybe when the mighty union agrees to address the issue of tenured teachers who don't give a shtein anymore being able to be fired we can have a legitimate discussion about the teaching union.  one of the biggest jokes in the country

This "problem" is incredibly overblown. 46% of teachers leave the profession within the first 5 years....that takes out most of the teachers that don't care and don't like what they're doing and thus do a bad job...the ones that slip through the cracks and actually last long enough to become a drain are far outweighed by the better teachers. Unfortunately, that high turnover/burnout rate also claims a lot of good/potentially good ones.

Edit-But I can and will readily admit that teacher unions waste money. It's just overblown how many truly "bad" teachers that are "just collecting a paycheck" and not educating the children make it very far into tenure. They get sick of the job and quit.

[ice grillin you]

lets be honest...you are only against unions because union shops take potential jobs from your company....if you worked for a union shop youd be all for them....you dont care or not care about the average worker...you care about the company you work for making as much money as possible because its better for you and if unions prevent that in any way you are against unions...nothing wrong with that but you dont have some kind of deep conviction when it comes to unions....in other words you arent anti union you are pro sunny

my dislike of them stems from the way they work and attack non-union companies.

thats what i was saying

you are a non union company so of course you are going to hate unions...if you werent competing with unions you wouldnt give a rats ass about them

[Tomahawk]

But he's not just competing with union shops. He also has to employ the services of union members so his company can do union gigs.

It cuts both ways; on one hand you need unions to protect people trying to eke out a living, conversely some unions disrupt the efficiency of a project which costs everybody but them money. greedy iceholes. That's in construction though. I can almost guarantee that if manufacturing didn't have unions, they'd be worse off.

[Munson]

But he's not just competing with union shops. He also has to employ the services of union members so his company can do union gigs.

It cuts both ways; on one hand you need unions to protect people trying to eke out a living, conversely some unions disrupt the efficiency of a project which costs everybody but them money. greedy iceholes. That's in construction though. I can almost guarantee that if manufacturing didn't have unions, they'd be worse off.

And many other trade unions. My mother is in a butchers union, and their company is constantly trying to screw with the unions.

[Diomedes]

I think you're a hell of a lot luckier than you think you are, and that you take too much credit for your success.  But yeah, I'm trolling and I'll drop it.

Suffice it to say I'm sticking with the Union.

[Sgt PSN]

But he's not just competing with union shops. He also has to employ the services of union members so his company can do union gigs.

It cuts both ways; on one hand you need unions to protect people trying to eke out a living, conversely some unions disrupt the efficiency of a project which costs everybody but them money. greedy iceholes. That's in construction though. I can almost guarantee that if manufacturing didn't have unions, they'd be worse off.

And many other trade unions. My mother is in a butchers union, and their company is constantly trying to screw with the unions.

Your mom plays with meat. 

[Munson]

My mom cuts meat. With very large, very sharp knives.

I wouldn't fargs with my mom.

[Geowhizzer]

teaching union, really?  that's your defense?  maybe when the mighty union agrees to address the issue of tenured teachers who don't give a shtein anymore being able to be fired we can have a legitimate discussion about the teaching union.  one of the biggest jokes in the country

This "problem" is incredibly overblown. 46% of teachers leave the profession within the first 5 years....that takes out most of the teachers that don't care and don't like what they're doing and thus do a bad job...the ones that slip through the cracks and actually last long enough to become a drain are far outweighed by the better teachers. Unfortunately, that high turnover/burnout rate also claims a lot of good/potentially good ones.

Edit-But I can and will readily admit that teacher unions waste money. It's just overblown how many truly "bad" teachers that are "just collecting a paycheck" and not educating the children make it very far into tenure. They get sick of the job and quit.

I'm 18 years in, and 3rd highest seniority in my school.  And I have a great school for teachers - it's just much more stressful job than many people realize.  I've even beginning to wonder about my future in teaching.

For me, the biggest part of being in the union is protection.  Teachers often get accused of a lot of stupid things (not saying that some teachers don't do stupid things), and the union offers protection is you are called into the principal's office for disciplinary action. 

The union also helps keep us abreast on movements in the state legislature for different bills affecting teachers and education, and works the political end on our behalf.