Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[Hawk]

"Blessed are the poor"

First line in Jesus's sermon on the mount. Not "blessed are the wealthy"

And doesn't this Mark quote sound like Socialism?

Mark 10:21-22 Jesus, looking at him, loved him and said, "You lack one thing; go, sell what you own, and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me." When he heard this, he was shocked and went away grieving, for he had many possessions.

Do you think Jesus would be for lower taxes for the poor/middle class or lower taxes for the rich?

Do you think Jesus would be for abortion?  No, argument ended. 

Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's. 

Why do conservatives give so much more than Liberals?  Why is the VP only giving 300 dollars to charity if he is so concerned about the poor?

Why doesn't the poverty level drop or why isn't poverty completely eliminated when Democrats have full control of presidency and Congress?   

Maybe these social programs don't work and are exploited?   

Would Jesus want our kids and grandkids to be saddled with debt for the rest of their existence?

[Eagles_Legendz]

This conversation is really happening.

[SD]

Abortions don't happen when a Republican is in office?

Conservatives give more to church's which is why you think they give 'more'. We've already covered that point the last few pages.

Poverty didn't lower when a Democrat was in office?

"Between 1993 and 2000, more than eight million families -- including four million kids -- moved out of poverty, and the total poverty rate fell 25 percent, from 15.1 percent to 11.3 percent, the lowest level since 1974. That's the fastest rate of decline in poverty since Lyndon Johnson's Administration in the 1960s, more than three times faster than in the Reagan Administration, during which poverty fell seven percent.

The Clinton years were unquestionably a time of progress, especially on the economy [...] Clinton's 1992 slogan, 'Putting people first,' and his stress on 'the economy, stupid,' pitched an optimistic if still gritty populism at a middle class that had suffered under Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush. [...] By the end of the Clinton presidency, the numbers were uniformly impressive. Besides the record-high surpluses and the record-low poverty rates, the economy could boast the longest economic expansion in history; the lowest unemployment since the early 1970s; and the lowest poverty rates for single mothers, black Americans, and the aged.[53]

Oops

Do you think the 'debt' was created by the poor or by the wealthy? I know the poor had a lot to do with the financial sector and banks causing this country to be in a depression.

[Eagles_Legendz]

"Blessed are the poor"

First line in Jesus's sermon on the mount. Not "blessed are the wealthy"

And doesn't this Mark quote sound like Socialism?

Mark 10:21-22 Jesus, looking at him, loved him and said, "You lack one thing; go, sell what you own, and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me." When he heard this, he was shocked and went away grieving, for he had many possessions.

Do you think Jesus would be for lower taxes for the poor/middle class or lower taxes for the rich?

Would Jesus want our kids and grandkids to be saddled with debt for the rest of their existence?

I know I shouldn't be doing this, but ignoring the rest of this temporarily, and setting aside the scintillating religious conversation, I'm interested how you just automatically checked this in the box next to Republican asset/strength.

I haven't been in line with every policy measure Obama has taken economically, but the Republicans are just as bad, if not worse, when it comes to the national debt.  At least the Democrats want to address half of the issue by raising tax rates.  Bush and co will spend essentially the same amount of money if given the reigns all while lowering taxes across the board.  It's a deficit disaster.  Slash defense spending, move the tax rate to 39% on those over $250,000, and then trim some entitlement programs.

[ice grillin you]

the fact that we are basing ANYTHING much less the way to live on some guy from 2000 years ago is amazing to me

[ice grillin you]

"Blessed are the poor"

First line in Jesus's sermon on the mount. Not "blessed are the wealthy"

And doesn't this Mark quote sound like Socialism?

Mark 10:21-22 Jesus, looking at him, loved him and said, "You lack one thing; go, sell what you own, and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me." When he heard this, he was shocked and went away grieving, for he had many possessions.

Do you think Jesus would be for lower taxes for the poor/middle class or lower taxes for the rich?

Would Jesus want our kids and grandkids to be saddled with debt for the rest of their existence?

I know I shouldn't be doing this, but ignoring the rest of this temporarily, and setting aside the scintillating religious conversation, I'm interested how you just automatically checked this in the box next to Republican asset/strength.

I haven't been in line with every policy measure Obama has taken economically, but the Republicans are just as bad, if not worse, when it comes to the national debt.  At least the Democrats want to address half of the issue by raising tax rates.  Bush and co will spend essentially the same amount of money if given the reigns all while lowering taxes across the board.  It's a deficit disaster.  Slash defense spending, move the tax rate to 39% on those over $250,000, and then trim some entitlement programs.

i find it so funny that the republicans are actually pimping clintons welfare reform policies....this should raise the curtain on the fact that the right is so stubborn and will not relent on any of their issues...clinton can reform welfare against everything the left supposedly believes in but the right will never waiver on defense....taxes or firearms among many other issues

they are scary in the way they are so entrenched in their beliefs

[General_Failure]

This conversation is really happening.

Isn't it great? Like checking the comments on any random article, only without the hassle of looking at a random article!

[Hawk]

Abortions don't happen when a Republican is in office?

Conservatives give more to church's which is why you think they give 'more'. We've already covered that point the last few pages.

Poverty didn't lower when a Democrat was in office?

"Between 1993 and 2000, more than eight million families -- including four million kids -- moved out of poverty, and the total poverty rate fell 25 percent, from 15.1 percent to 11.3 percent, the lowest level since 1974. That's the fastest rate of decline in poverty since Lyndon Johnson's Administration in the 1960s, more than three times faster than in the Reagan Administration, during which poverty fell seven percent.

The Clinton years were unquestionably a time of progress, especially on the economy [...] Clinton's 1992 slogan, 'Putting people first,' and his stress on 'the economy, stupid,' pitched an optimistic if still gritty populism at a middle class that had suffered under Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush. [...] By the end of the Clinton presidency, the numbers were uniformly impressive. Besides the record-high surpluses and the record-low poverty rates, the economy could boast the longest economic expansion in history; the lowest unemployment since the early 1970s; and the lowest poverty rates for single mothers, black Americans, and the aged.[53]

Oops

Do you think the 'debt' was created by the poor or by the wealthy? I know the poor had a lot to do with the financial sector and banks causing this country to be in a depression.

Source?? Cause I can pull up dozens of sources that show just the opposite.

Chart from the US Census Bureau...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_poverty_rate_timeline.gif

Confusing, shouldn't that graph be dipping way down in the 90s??

Regardless, you failed to acknowledge the Republican Congress in Office, as well as the Dot com boom. 

At least Clinton compromised with the other party.  As soon as Republicans won the House in 2010, Harry Reid and Obama refuse to get anything done that would compromise their "superior liberal insights." 

Conservative and Libertarians can criticize Republicans for spending too much and pork barrel spending.  I've seen very few of you ever criticize Obama for anything.  In fact, I've seen praise for his drone attacks, when I guarantee you'd be in an uproar if Bush was doing the same thing.  Hypocrite thy name is IGY.

[Munson]

Dear god reading a political conversation between IGY, Todd, and Hawk is like watching MSNBC and FoxNews argue with each other.

I even saw a "businesses aren't hiring because of Obamacare!" thrown in there. Jesus.

[Hawk]

"Blessed are the poor"

First line in Jesus's sermon on the mount. Not "blessed are the wealthy"

And doesn't this Mark quote sound like Socialism?

Mark 10:21-22 Jesus, looking at him, loved him and said, "You lack one thing; go, sell what you own, and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me." When he heard this, he was shocked and went away grieving, for he had many possessions.

Do you think Jesus would be for lower taxes for the poor/middle class or lower taxes for the rich?

Would Jesus want our kids and grandkids to be saddled with debt for the rest of their existence?

I know I shouldn't be doing this, but ignoring the rest of this temporarily, and setting aside the scintillating religious conversation, I'm interested how you just automatically checked this in the box next to Republican asset/strength.

I haven't been in line with every policy measure Obama has taken economically, but the Republicans are just as bad, if not worse, when it comes to the national debt.  At least the Democrats want to address half of the issue by raising tax rates.  Bush and co will spend essentially the same amount of money if given the reigns all while lowering taxes across the board.  It's a deficit disaster.  Slash defense spending, move the tax rate to 39% on those over $250,000, and then trim some entitlement programs.

Democrats refused to address the national debt, when they rushed through an unpopular healthcare bill, that they claimed was deficit neutral, when in fact, it will add trillions to the debt. 

[Munson]

Though I do want to point out that while some peoples premiums have gone up, a lot of others have gone down, more people have insurance, and a lot of people had some of those premiums rebated back to them from the insurance companies via the law...so yeah.


But I know facts don't have much of a place here sooo.

[Munson]

"Blessed are the poor"

First line in Jesus's sermon on the mount. Not "blessed are the wealthy"

And doesn't this Mark quote sound like Socialism?

Mark 10:21-22 Jesus, looking at him, loved him and said, "You lack one thing; go, sell what you own, and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me." When he heard this, he was shocked and went away grieving, for he had many possessions.

Do you think Jesus would be for lower taxes for the poor/middle class or lower taxes for the rich?

Would Jesus want our kids and grandkids to be saddled with debt for the rest of their existence?

I know I shouldn't be doing this, but ignoring the rest of this temporarily, and setting aside the scintillating religious conversation, I'm interested how you just automatically checked this in the box next to Republican asset/strength.

I haven't been in line with every policy measure Obama has taken economically, but the Republicans are just as bad, if not worse, when it comes to the national debt.  At least the Democrats want to address half of the issue by raising tax rates.  Bush and co will spend essentially the same amount of money if given the reigns all while lowering taxes across the board.  It's a deficit disaster.  Slash defense spending, move the tax rate to 39% on those over $250,000, and then trim some entitlement programs.

Democrats refused to address the national debt, when they rushed through an unpopular healthcare bill, that they claimed was deficit neutral, when in fact, it will add trillions to the debt.

I don't think you understand the difference between something costing money, and something adding to the debt.

[Munson]

Also a few more things, though I don't know why I'm even trying...

1. Part of the "unpopularity" of the ACA is the fact that a solid 15-25% of the people that don't like it, don't like it because it wasn't even further left, aka a public option or even an NHS.

2. Things I have heard Obama and some Democrats say: "I'm willing to look at SS and Medicare to see how we can reduce their costs,"

3. Things I have not heard any prominent Republicans say: "I'm willing to increase taxes on the extremely wealthy."

[PhillyPhreak54]

Our country is in the shteinter and it will never recover because of the farging extremist views and refusal to compromise. It goes for both farging sides of the aisle and it sickens me.

I cannot even read stories completely unrelated to politics without some farging prick making a political comment! Reading an article on Isaac today and some fargup drags Obama into it. Then reading about the Philly cop who was killed and there's another comment about "Obama's America".

[MDS]

Conservative and Libertarians can criticize Republicans for spending too much and pork barrel spending.  I've seen very few of you ever criticize Obama for anything.  In fact, I've seen praise for his drone attacks, when I guarantee you'd be in an uproar if Bush was doing the same thing.  Hypocrite thy name is IGY.

no one loves obama like you think they do

but we have two choices in this country. one sucks and the other hates gays, women, blacks, jews, muslims, poor people and the middle class while shoving their fairy tales in my face.

gimme a logical third choice and things might be different