Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Both those states would favor Hillary slightly based on the demographics, but if Obama actually campaigned and was on the ballot, the margins of victory would likely not be significant for her.

The numbers still don't add up for Clinton.

[Cerevant]

Do-overs would allow both candidates to campaign in those states, so that a more accurate conclusion could be reached.  Futher, since Edwards was still in the race during those primaries, Obama would likely do better in a do-over than he did at the time of those primaries.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

The bottom line is that Clinton will have to have a lion's share of superdelegates (at least 60%, maybe more) supporting her at the convention, despite Obama likely having the lead in pledged delegates and popular vote.

The Democrats only have themselves to blame for this one, but I'm sure they'll point to stuff like this after they lose in November:

It seems that the Right wing Radio propaganda machine has been telling all of their lemmings to vote for Hillary because they think McCain can beat her and they're scared of Obama. Not sure how much of an impact they had.

It's incomprehensible to me how this can happen.  The DNC should learn from this as well and start to award "winner take all" in the primaries.  Of course, I think that would kill Obama in this election based on Hillary winning bigger states by a smaller margin.  Still, it would make a *win* actually mean something and not end up having the nominee chosen by committee members and politicians.

If Hillary gets the nomination, it's like the Supreme Court handing Bush the Presidency (on a smaller scale, naturally).  It means the voters' will was not really done.  How can anyone consider this any version of Democracy?

[ice grillin you]

hillary would destroy in florida and win michigan...again the regular delegates dont matter...winning those two states would give her mad ammo to win over supers

i think having full primaries is fair but i hope it doesnt happen

[Phanatic]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080306/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_money_2

Hillary raises 3 million online because of her victories. This country really is a bunch of followers...

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

hillary would destroy in florida and win michigan

Florida, yes.  She'd win by 15% or so.

Michigan, maybe not.  Jesse Jackson won in 1988.  A large chunk of the state's Democratic voters are black.

[Cerevant]

Well, I'm not going to say that Michigan and Florida should not have primaries because Obama will lose.  If he does, so be it - thems the rules.  I'm just opposed to the bullshtein ideas they are coming up with as alternatives to re-doing the primaries.  They are too easy to rig one way or the other.

[Rome]

What is this, Nicaragua?  There's no do-over elections here.  The Democratic Party made its ruling and all the candidates pledged to adhere to that ruling.

End of story.  If the DNC reverses course and allows both states to hold second primaries, it would be a catastrophe for the democratic process in this country.

[ice grillin you]

What is this, Nicaragua?  There's no do-over elections here.  The Democratic Party made its ruling and all the candidates pledged to adhere to that ruling.

End of story.  If the DNC reverses course and allows both states to hold second primaries, it would be a catastrophe for the democratic process in this country.

the ultimate democratic process is an election...so either the ones they have already have count or they have a real one and it counts...to not have votes count at all would be a 'catastrophe'

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

the ultimate democratic process is an election...so either the ones they have already have count or they have a real one and it counts...to not have votes count at all would be a 'catastrophe'

The fact you think that counting the votes already placed in elections where the candidate that followed the rules wasn't even on the ballot is more fair than not counting them speaks volumes about how skewed your worldview really is.

You really are an idiot.

[Cerevant]

The DNC has always supported a new primary.  This is not an election, it is the process of a private organization.  Either they do-over, or they do nothing.  Dems da rules.

BTW, how many people coughed up real $$ (even $3) to go play that stupid online game?  Go over to Obama's web site and send him $20.  Money does make a difference.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Lack of money is not Obama's problem.

Plus, considering the fact that I'd be voting for him out of spite and basically disagree with most of his message, I would be better served spending $20 on a lap dance or other form of capitalist debauchery that would incense do-gooders and socialists alike.

[PhillyGirl]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080306/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_obama

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Howard Wolfson is basically Karl Rove with a donkey on his voter registration card and not an elephant.

The guy personifies everything that makes politics and/or Hillary Clinton abhorrent.

[ice grillin you]

The fact you think that counting the votes already placed in elections where the candidate that followed the rules wasn't even on the ballot is more fair than not counting them speaks volumes about how skewed your worldview really is.

i dont think they should count....but saying there shouldnt be real elections because they would be "do overs" is retarded....if the first elections werent fair then you do do them over....that is the democratic way....rather than a political organization...the dnc in this case...having a hissy fit and taking away elections cause they took place on a date they didnt like