Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[Cerevant]

When did Mitt Romney say that voting for Obama or Clinton would be like surrenduring to terrorism?

He didn't say it directly, but he implied during his drop-out speech that the republicans losing the general election would be a surrender to terrorism.

[MDS]

Obama wins Maine, but it really doesn't matter because there were so few delegates at stake. But, a win is a win, and Hillary has lost yet another state.

[ice grillin you]

im a obama supporter but i really dont undertand the vitriol  towards hillary...do any of you know why you hate her?...and if you do could you tell me cause i dont get it

[mpmcgraw]

because she cries when she thinks she is going to lose an election but not when her husband cheated on her?

because fat middle age women are voting for her just because she has a vagina without knowing anything about her stand on issues?

[Geowhizzer]

im a obama supporter but i really dont undertand the vitriol  towards hillary...do any of you know why you hate her?...and if you do could you tell me cause i dont get it

This is my opinon - take it for what it's worth:

I believe that Hillary is probably the smartest person still in the race.  There's little doubt about that.  What irks me about her is her seemingly jaded use of politics.  She will literally do whatever necessary to win the election - whether moral, legal, or whatever.  As long as she has plausible deniability, she's willing to do just about anything to win.  She's much like Bill in that way, except that Bill was much more personable, whereas Hillary's shrill, ice-queen demeanor lets her get away with less. 

People talk about the "Clinton political machine," and to me that is appropriate.  Her and Bill strike me as somewhat similar to the Tammany Hall political machine of 1800s New York.  They are well-organized, and willing to do what it takes (buy, threaten, politically assassinate) whatever it takes to increase and maintain their power.  She is a politician in the older style - one that is becoming less and less popular, especially in contrast with Obama's "outsider" image (which is also somewhat of a fabrication).

That said, I'm not sure who I would vote for between her and McCain, and would definitely vote for her over Huckabee.

[Seabiscuit36]

im a obama supporter but i really dont undertand the vitriol  towards hillary...do any of you know why you hate her?...and if you do could you tell me cause i dont get it

This is my opinon - take it for what it's worth:

I believe that Hillary is probably the smartest person still in the race.  There's little doubt about that.  What irks me about her is her seemingly jaded use of politics.  She will literally do whatever necessary to win the election - whether moral, legal, or whatever.  As long as she has plausible deniability, she's willing to do just about anything to win.  She's much like Bill in that way, except that Bill was much more personable, whereas Hillary's shrill, ice-queen demeanor lets her get away with less. 

People talk about the "Clinton political machine," and to me that is appropriate.  Her and Bill strike me as somewhat similar to the Tammany Hall political machine of 1800s New York.  They are well-organized, and willing to do what it takes (buy, threaten, politically assassinate) whatever it takes to increase and maintain their power.  She is a politician in the older style - one that is becoming less and less popular, especially in contrast with Obama's "outsider" image (which is also somewhat of a fabrication).

That said, I'm not sure who I would vote for between her and McCain, and would definitely vote for her over Huckabee.

wow, good use of Tammany Hall Geo. 

I'm in the same boat as geo for why i'm not a hillary fan, that and i dont trust anything that bleeds for 5 days and doesnt die.

[PhillyGirl]

Why don't I like Hillary?

Because I feel like she's talking AT me, not to me. She doesn't inspire me whatsoever.

And I am just not on board with universal health care.

[Rome]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080210/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_campaign_manager

Peppermint Patti gets the boot.

Typical Clinton treatment.  Blame everyone else when things go wrong and never take any responsibility on yourself.

I do think it's funny that they're spinning this saying that she left the campaign voluntarily.  Yeah, sure she did.  If Clinton was winning the nod in a landslide she still would have quit?  Gimme a farging break.

[SD_Eagle5]

And I am just not on board with universal health care.

If properly done (see any other country) universal health care is a great idea. Don't you think it's ironic that high paying jobs have health care provided by their company yet if you work your ass off for minimum wage or slightly above you have to fend for yourself? Just another instance of the U.S. - the economic super power of the Earth - catering to the middle to upper class and leaving the citizens in need of the service neglected. Maybe diverting some of the money spent blowing up Muslims could be shifted to give average every day people health care. The system works in countries far poorer than ours so I don't see why it couldn't work here.

[Phanatic]

Obama's healthcare proposal isn't all that different from Hillary's from what I read of his blue print. The Dems are both running universal healthcare tickets me thinks...

[BigEd76]

Upper Deck was forced to pull this card from its 2008 set because Clinton was offended.  It's currently on ebay for $1550 

[MDS]

No more Clintons. Seriously, thats reason enough.

[Cerevant]

I get pissed off at the "experience" claim.  The only experience she has is in the Senate the last 8 years.  The rest of her "career" is standing in the shadow of her husband.  My ex is a PhD in Chemistry - does that mean I have the experience to work at a University?  I helped her grade papers (multiple choice) and went to dinner parties, after all.

[Cerevant]

Obama wins Maine, takes delegate lead (according to MSNBC & CBS).

[Sgt PSN]

Obama, the anti-Huckabee.

"For one, they need to understand the critical role that the separation of church and state has played in preserving not only our democracy, but the robustness of our religious practice. Folks tend to forget that during our founding, it wasn't the atheists or the civil libertarians who were the most effective champions of the First Amendment. It was the persecuted minorities, it was Baptists like John Leland who didn't want the established churches to impose their views on folks who were getting happy out in the fields and teaching the scripture to slaves. It was the forbearers of the evangelicals who were the most adamant about not mingling government with religious, because they did not want state-sponsored religion hindering their ability to practice their faith as they understood it.

Moreover, given the increasing diversity of America's population, the dangers of sectarianism have never been greater. Whatever we once were, we are no longer just a Christian nation; we are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.

And even if we did have only Christians in our midst, if we expelled every non-Christian from the United States of America, whose Christianity would we teach in the schools? Would we go with James Dobson's, or Al Sharpton's? Which passages of Scripture should guide our public policy? Should we go with Leviticus, which suggests slavery is ok and that eating shellfish is abomination? How about Deuteronomy, which suggests stoning your child if he strays from the faith? Or should we just stick to the Sermon on the Mount - a passage that is so radical that it's doubtful that our own Defense Department would survive its application? So before we get carried away, let's read our bibles. Folks haven't been reading their bibles.

This brings me to my second point. Democracy demands that the religiously motivated translate their concerns into universal, rather than religion-specific, values. It requires that their proposals be subject to argument, and amenable to reason. I may be opposed to abortion for religious reasons, but if I seek to pass a law banning the practice, I cannot simply point to the teachings of my church or evoke God's will. I have to explain why abortion violates some principle that is accessible to people of all faiths, including those with no faith at all."

This is exactly why he's got my vote.  Dook makes decisions with his head, not his bible.