Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[ATV]

Regarding all these lies by McCain's campaign (like the Obama wants to teach sex-ed to your children one), it would appear that McCain would rather lose a nation than lose an election.

[Geowhizzer]

Get your child this toy for Christmas!

[rjs246]

Everyone with a brain knows that some level of citizen monitoring has been going on for years. It was a disgusting secret that no one wanted to talk about or admit. My main problem with the recent citizen-spying is the overt and brazen way in which the government has said "we're taking away the very notion of a right to privacy. We're spying on you and there isn't anything you can do about it, but don't worry, if you're not doing anything wrong you've got nothing to worry about."

Meanwhile, my dad, who is the most law abiding, straight laced, rah rah go USA old school republican on the planet was on the terrorist watch list and was getting harassed every time he tried to fly. This shtein just got scary because our government no longer fears its people. It is so comfortable with its own power that it can tell the entire population that it is spying on us and know without a doubt that we will all do nothing.

[shorebird]

If he's such a rah rah go USA old school republican kinda' guy, then he understands and doesn't mind the inconvienence.

[rjs246]

If he's such a rah rah go USA old school republican kinda' guy, then he understands and doesn't mind the inconvienence.

What does he understand? That his rights aren't as important as the illusion of security? That his liberties are forfeit because someone flew a plane into a building SEVEN FRIGGIN' YEARS AGO?

"Those who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security."

-- Ben Franklin


By the way you're completely right. He refuses to complain about it. He's fallen into the trap of thinking that a citizen spy list is somehow making his suburban life safer, all because his party decided it was for the best.

[ice grillin you]

Everyone with a brain knows that some level of citizen monitoring has been going on for years. It was a disgusting secret that no one wanted to talk about or admit. My main problem with the recent citizen-spying is the overt and brazen way in which the government has said "we're taking away the very notion of a right to privacy. We're spying on you and there isn't anything you can do about it, but don't worry, if you're not doing anything wrong you've got nothing to worry about."

Meanwhile, my dad, who is the most law abiding, straight laced, rah rah go USA old school republican on the planet was on the terrorist watch list and was getting harassed every time he tried to fly. This shtein just got scary because our government no longer fears its people. It is so comfortable with its own power that it can tell the entire population that it is spying on us and know without a doubt that we will all do nothing.

pretty much what i was saying...comparing joe mcarthy or some guy who started the cia to the president of the united states isnt quite the same

[Feva]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/9/18288/12935?detail=f

If you want to be thoroughly revolted, you can read this Kos diary about the most vile, disgusting below-the-belt McCain ad yet. I look forward to the counter-attack. McCain must rot. (The ad twists legislation that Obama had his hand in to help kindergartners ID sexual predators and prevent abuse into "Obama wants to teach sex education to kindergartners before teaching them how to read.") McCain is a disgusting, filthy man. farging shameful.

"It is shameful and downright perverse for the McCain campaign to use a bill that was written to protect young children from sexual predators as a recycled and discredited political attack against a father of two young girls - a position that his friend Mitt Romney also holds. Last week, John McCain told Time magazine he couldn't define what honor was. Now we know why," said Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRVkDwguBZk

[shorebird]

rjs, I know how you feel. My Dad is the same way. Thats how I could have guessed the way your Dad might react. I luv my old man, but gawd almighty, he's a friggen' dinosaur. Some of the stuff I heard as a kid just sitting with him waiting for the news to get over so I could watch Batman would make people wonder if there was a KKK chapter in Maryland.

[Rome]

So you're saying that the GOP machine is engaging in a smear campaign?

Onowai.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

It's also not exactly a fair comparison to assume which candidate would better protect both our rights and our lives.  The running argument that McCain will naturally continue everything Bush is doing is roughly as naive as assuming that he won't.  On the flip side, Obama has never voted to reduce the scope of the Federal government, and a smaller military presence overseas doesn't prove anything either way regarding his protection of our rights.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Good opinion piece on the types of economic questions that the candidates will face

[PhillyGirl]

So you're saying that the GOP machine is engaging in a smear campaign?

Onowai.

Its the subject matter on this one. Its not right. Its lower than low. Slimier than slime.

[rjs246]

On the flip side, Obama has never voted to reduce the scope of the Federal government, and a smaller military presence overseas doesn't prove anything either way regarding his protection of our rights.

You're absoluely right about this. But the way I look at it, we are given a pretty clear choice.

On the one hand we have a candidate from the currently sitting party who wants to extend the 'war on terror' in an effort to 'protect' us all. This is a recipe (actually it is the exact recipe) for a continuation of the trend hat Bush started of reducing individual liberties in the interest of 'national security'. I'd say it's a 0/50/50 with McCain (0% chance he reverses the infringements of the last 8 years, 50% he does nothing one way or the other and 50% we see liberties reduced further).

On the other hand we have a candidate that may or may not reduce our individual liberties. We really don't know. To be fair I'd say it's a 25/50/25 proposition with Obama (25% chance he reverses the infringements of the last 8 years, 50% he does nothing one way or the other and 25% we see liberties reduced further).

That slim difference is more than enough for me.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

I understand your POV and believe it certainly makes some sense.

[ice grillin you]

On the flip side, Obama has never voted to reduce the scope of the Federal government, and a smaller military presence overseas doesn't prove anything either way regarding his protection of our rights.

You're absoluely right about this. But the way I look at it, we are given a pretty clear choice.

On the one hand we have a candidate from the currently sitting party who wants to extend the 'war on terror' in an effort to 'protect' us all. This is a recipe (actually it is the exact recipe) for a continuation of the trend hat Bush started of reducing individual liberties in the interest of 'national security'. I'd say it's a 0/50/50 with McCain (0% chance he reverses the infringements of the last 8 years, 50% he does nothing one way or the other and 50% we see liberties reduced further).

On the other hand we have a candidate that may or may not reduce our individual liberties. We really don't know. To be fair I'd say it's a 25/50/25 proposition with Obama (25% chance he reverses the infringements of the last 8 years, 50% he does nothing one way or the other and 25% we see liberties reduced further).

That slim difference is more than enough for me.

when it comes to my individual freedoms ill take the civil rights attorney over the vote with bush hawkish ex war hero