Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[rjs246]

I'm barely a Libertarian at all. I only want the government out of my personal liberties, which is exactly what the Bill of Rights was designed to accomplish. I have no problem with taxes being paid whatsoever. They are necessary for a civilization to function and thrive. I'd like to have more say in where those taxes go, and as I said I believe that the current tax codes are completely out of whack with reality, but I think paying taxes for the greater good is a good thing. Railing against universal health care is especially ridiculous since there are plenty of countries across the globe who have implemented it successfully. The only reason I claim Libertarianism is because the Democrats are so out of touch with reality and common sense that I refuse to associate with them.

I advocate Bob Barr because he is attempting to be a champion for individual liberties, he has no chance of winning and he will almost certainly steal votes from McCain. In reality, his vision of minimal government doesn't jive with my version of minimal government. Minimal government means providing services and protection for the country's citizens as best as humanly possible without infringing on their lives. It doesn't mean taking away the services that make our lives better. Which isn't even that difficult a concept. The Bill of Rights outlined it pretty solidly 230 years ago.

We have had the protection part of the equation taken care of with the world's best military for a century. But for some reason over the past 30 years, providing services that benefit the population as a whole has gone completely haywire. Our infrustructure sucks. We have no healthcare. Our education system is abysmal. Social security has fallen apart and never been dealt with properly. And we all know exactly what has happened to our individual freedoms.

In other words, the government has failed and needs to remember its founding principles or we're all farged.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Much in the same respect, whining about the zesty health care the government provides you (not to mention the salary of anyone in the health care field sucking wind) will be regarded as impotent if Obama gets his way.

You are a fake Libertarian.  Fake. Fake. Fake.

The gov does not currently provide healthcare...

No shtein, really?

In other words, the government has failed and needs to remember its founding principals or we're all farged.

Well, we agree on that, but I think we must strongly disagree on the government's "founding principals" (sic).

[rjs246]

I think we must strongly disagree on the government's founding principles.

No shtein.

[ATV]

Regarding phone tapping, the government has in FISA a universally accepted way of dealing with this issue. I doubt anybody here has or would have a problem with these procedures.

The issue is that the Bush administration holds little regard for the rule of law.

[ATV]

C-Span callers give it to some Republican McDouchbag....

http://www.crooksandliars.com/Media/Play/29896/1/hensarling_cspan_callers_060508.wmv/

The Fourth Reich is going down in flames.

[Phanatic]

If you put any group of people in a position to abuse power they will eventually abuse it. It might be 2 years and it might be 20 years but it will get exploited at some point.

The media would love it though. Scandals sell commercials.

[Geowhizzer]

I would rather suffer an attack then give up freedoms that would most likely never be given back. Freedom is not free.

I think you've nailed it right there. There are people who are scared of eing attacked and there are people who are scared of losing their rights. Those who are scared of being attacked line up to revoke whatever rights they must to 'protect' themselves from attack. Which, to me, is small minded insanity but which seems to make sense to a lot of people.

Reminds me of Ben Franklin: 

They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security.

[rjs246]

I would rather suffer an attack then give up freedoms that would most likely never be given back. Freedom is not free.

I think you've nailed it right there. There are people who are scared of eing attacked and there are people who are scared of losing their rights. Those who are scared of being attacked line up to revoke whatever rights they must to 'protect' themselves from attack. Which, to me, is small minded insanity but which seems to make sense to a lot of people.

Reminds me of Ben Franklin: 

They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security.

Every now and then I think that maybe I should have paid more attention to high school history. Quotes like this make me tingly in the pantses.

[Sgt PSN]

I would rather suffer an attack then give up freedoms that would most likely never be given back.

of course i see people on the internet like reese who are worried about a terrorist attack but i literally have never met one person whether casually or a close friend or relative that is the least bit concerned about being killed in a terrorist attack...and i take two different forms of public transportation to a job in downtown washington dc everyday...i just cant fathom this being a top five worry for the average cicitzen


it seems to me the people most worried about terrorist attacks live in nebraska montana or mississippi which is something ill never understand

Please tell me where I said that I am worried about a terrorist attack. Im gonna call you Chubby Checkers from now on twister boy--you're a trip.

I live my life the same way every single day, carefree-- no matter what happens in this country. I also am a firm believer in chance and probability. That being said, its pretty easy--the probability of me being physically scarred by a terrorist attack are nathanson.

The chances any of you red, white and blue underwear wearing pretenders like you and Sgt Slaughter are affected in this lifetime by international phone tapping laws that need warrants are even more remote and laughable. So on a RJS note: why are you still talking about this?

You're being too narrow minded (surprise!) with this argument.  You think I'm only concerned about illegal phone tapping.  It doesn't matter to me if it's phone tapping, search and seizure, arrests or whatever......when this government starts breaking the laws they are supposed to be upholding in order to catch our enemies, it's only a matter of time that they'll allow the same measures and tactics on it's own citizens.  I'm concerned about what other rights and liberties would be stripped away 20 years after illegal phone tapping.  Of couse, I guess you're just living too care free to give a shtein. 

[ice grillin you]

Please tell me where I said that I am worried about a terrorist attack.

when you have an attack like that (9/11) and the US is harboring those individuals, rules need to be change and tap the calls...unless you enjoy human disasters

an Al Queda terrorist group threatening to attack the US on Labor Day.

[PhillyPhreak54]

Down here, deep in the heart of Bushland, that is all I hear about...how if the democrats take over then we are going to be attacked again and again and again because the dems dont care about the military or national security. I'm told that we need the tough minded republicans to keep us safe and I will be sorry for voting for Obama.

I mean, I understand that I am in Houston...an area that is littered with big oil money and has GW bumper stickers coming out of the ass, but goddamn. The same people who wear my ears out about terrorism and war and being a patriot are bitching about gas and the economy just like everyone else. Hello iceholes, who is responsible for the dollar dropping faster than a whore to her knees?

Fix the farging economy already, defend our borders with the military you have six farging thousand miles away in Iraq...

[Phanatic]

I would rather suffer an attack then give up freedoms that would most likely never be given back. Freedom is not free.

I think you've nailed it right there. There are people who are scared of eing attacked and there are people who are scared of losing their rights. Those who are scared of being attacked line up to revoke whatever rights they must to 'protect' themselves from attack. Which, to me, is small minded insanity but which seems to make sense to a lot of people.

Reminds me of Ben Franklin: 

They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security.

That's pretty damn cool.

[Diomedes]

Tell your Texas brethren that the more oil you use, the more you subsidize terrorism (by supporting the Saudi elite who in turn fund the bad guys.)  Sell your trucks and SUVs if you can* and get a reasonable car.

*which could mean either or both: "you don't need it for work" / "if anyone will even buy it, at any price..."

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Chevy Suburbans are also known as "Texas Cadillacs."

[rjs246]

Obama ruling the DNC with an iron fist.