Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[ice grillin you]

correct me if I'm wrong but if there was a moderate pub you vote for that every time no?

[Eagles_Legendz]

Nah depends on candidates themselves.  I've never voted for a pub in the general and I don't expect that to change this cycle. 

I would certainly consider voting for a limited government candidate who supported limited fiscal and social policies but I'm not sure when that candidate would get support in the GOP.  I'm basically left wing on every social policy, moderate economically, and right on some policies that, in my mind, favor unlimited gov't expansion like the commerce clause and how the left treats it, or the takings clause (I despise the opinion in Kelo v New London). I'm probably center left on foreign policy too (I find myself agreeing with Obama [usually] with his foreign policy). 

So if you put forward a pro choice, anti death penalty, anti drug war, pro gay marriage republican who supported establishment reform, scaling back the federal government intervention in some issues, and wasn't a psychopath with foreign policy, then sure. 

I could also tolerate someone who was pro life personally, anti gay marriage personally, but accepts different viewpoints and that it's the current law. 

I just don't see how an actual limited government candidate (which means not interfering in people's bedrooms, or clinics etc) gets traction in this political climate, so I vote democrat.

[Rome]

How can a country with 320 million people have small government?

I hear my fellow libertarians say that all the time and it just makes me shake my farging dome every time. 

[ice grillin you]

gotcha....I stand corrected....I always thought you were the ultimate moderate pub

and romey is on point....not just libertarians but the right in general is super dooper patriots yet hate the best govt that's ever existed

[Eagles_Legendz]

I don't mean small government in the way that most people on the right do.  I'm not in favor of abolishing the EPA and all of these government organizations, and I think vilifying federal workers is incredibly dumb and happens too often on the right because it's an easy punching bag to hit.

What I mean is that I think the left plays a dangerous game in essentially conceding expansive executive and congressional federal power without recognizing the ramifications for when it's in the hands of neoconservatives.   The federal government shouldn't have the authority to monitor and collect your information like it does.  The federal government shouldn't be able to use the commerce clause to literally pass any legislation that it wants because you can make an argument that ANY product aggregated across our country implicates interstate commerce.  The federal government should also not be able to take your house and give it to Walmart or a business development because it will promote growth.   The federal government shouldn't support tariffs and trade restrictions because every economic study has illustrated that it negatively impacts our national economy (but the left supports it too often to placate blue collar white voters).  Yay protectionism.   Those are all center-right positions that I support.

But I also think if you're going to say all of that, for consistency you should be in favor of letting people live and marry who they want, let women control their own bodies etc.  And pretty much every republican is massively hypocritical on all of those fronts.

That is what I, personally, mean by limiting the federal government. 

[Eagles_Legendz]

gotcha....I stand corrected....I always thought you were the ultimate moderate pub

and romey is on point....not just libertarians but the right in general is super dooper patriots yet hate the best govt that's ever existed

I've always found myself accidentally working in GOP situations - worked for the governor of Alabama in school, two GOP judges (though the one up here isn't very reypblican).  Now I work for a GOP firm where some people call me the firm liberal.

[smeags]

I don't mean small government in the way that most people on the right do.  I'm not in favor of abolishing the EPA and all of these government organizations, and I think vilifying federal workers is incredibly dumb and happens too often on the right because it's an easy punching bag to hit.

What I mean is that I think the left plays a dangerous game in essentially conceding expansive executive and congressional federal power without recognizing the ramifications for when it's in the hands of neoconservatives.   The federal government shouldn't have the authority to monitor and collect your information like it does.  The federal government shouldn't be able to use the commerce clause to literally pass any legislation that it wants because you can make an argument that ANY product aggregated across our country implicates interstate commerce.  The federal government should also not be able to take your house and give it to Walmart or a business development because it will promote growth.   The federal government shouldn't support tariffs and trade restrictions because every economic study has illustrated that it negatively impacts our national economy (but the left supports it too often to placate blue collar white voters).  Yay protectionism.   Those are all center-right positions that I support.

But I also think if you're going to say all of that, for consistency you should be in favor of letting people live and marry who they want, let women control their own bodies etc.  And pretty much every republican is massively hypocritical on all of those fronts.

That is what I, personally, mean by limiting the federal government.

SPOT ON.

[ice grillin you]

the right wants to execute Edward snowden

[Eagles_Legendz]

the right wants to execute Edward snowden

I have no interest in defending the GOP, just explaining what I mean by limited government.

[General_Failure]

Congress Slips CISA Into a Budget Bill That's Sure to Pass

In a late-night session of Congress, House Speaker Paul Ryan announced a new version of the "omnibus" bill, a massive piece of legislation that deals with much of the federal government's funding. It now includes a version of CISA as well. Lumping CISA in with the omnibus bill further reduces any chance for debate over its surveillance-friendly provisions, or a White House veto. And the latest version actually chips away even further at the remaining personal information protections that privacy advocates had fought for in the version of the bill that passed the Senate.

[Sgt PSN]

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/palm-beach/fl-palm-obama-highway-20151217-story.html

You know this is driving most people crazy down there.

[Rome]

So dozens of homeless have camped out in front, on the sides and in back of the county administrative building in Daytona Beach.  I'm not sure if it's a political statement or if it's just a place they all ended up together, but the cops won't disperse them, the county won't monitor them or keep them in line, and a farging judge says no one has the right to move them off the property. 

Nevermind the "no loitering" signs or no trespassing ordinances.  Nope.  The judge says they have to be allowed to camp out, shtein and piss everywhere, start fights among themselves, pester citizens and employees, and generally run roughshod over anything and everything.

The government won't respond by getting them into shelters, the law won't roust them despite them being a health and safety hazard, and the justice system ignores the rights of those they're endangering because the rights of vagrants evidently trump those of law-abiding, tax-paying citizens.

USA, baby!  Woot!!

[Diomedes]

If you elect Trump, he'll bounce those worthless people, and make them pay for it too.

#makeamericagreatagain

[Rome]

No need to elect a Nazi, Mr. Exaggerator.   We could simply insist that local laws be enforced by the cops, that governmental agencies charged with caring for these people do their jobs, and the justice system not ignore the rights of others in favor of another group because of political correctness.

[Sgt PSN]

You could also toss a McDouble into the middle of the parking lot and watch them battle to the death.