Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[Butchers Bill]

The economy has no where near stabilized

Wrong.

Really?  Do you even know what you posted?  Do you have any idea whatsoever what that represents?

Perhaps the best investor of all time still thinks the economy is in "shambles".  Unemployment at 10% and still rising, and GDP on pace to shrink 5.7% for the year:

http://money.cnn.com/2009/06/24/news/economy/Buffett_economy.reut/index.htm

Not to mention the fact that most of the commercial mortgages that are failing have yet to flush through the system.

Finally, try reading some of what this man has to say (perhaps the second best investor of all time and one I guarantee most people have never heard of):

Bill Gross from Pimco

and if "Cap and Trade" is passed by the Senate (which I don't think it will be) it will cost millions of more jobs.

More like another example of progressive legislation that should have been passed eight years ago or more.

You couldn't be more wrong about cap and trade.  First of all it will do nothing to help the environment and it will essentially tax many US companies out of business.  Secondly, explain to me how it's constitutional to force the California building code on every county, town, and city in the United States?  Finally, explain to me how its wise in any way to "necessarily" increase utilities prices (Obama's words) in the current economic environment.

The "direction of the country polls" have reversed in the past month or so.

Wrong. Stabilized at worst...

I could say "wrong" to you here but I will try to keep this debate above your childish behavior.  I will say that polls are highly subjective and you will get different results every time:

http://www.pollingreport.com/right.htm

So "The Great Obama" can't fix the economy in 150 days but he can change the minds of 6 billion people.

A) Where is "The Great Obama" from? From which Right Wing radio program did you learn that?

B) The economy has stablized.

C) Who said anything about changing the minds of 6 billion people?

A) No, unlike you and your leftist ilk I come up with my own material.  I don't need the idiocy of Limbaugh, Hannity, or Wilkow to poison my clear, coherent arguments.

B) No, it hasn't.

C) Its was your comrade IGY that said the world loves us now.

Progressive legislation passed?  May want to ask the gays about that one.

Ok. That's all you've got? I'll take it.

More like what else do you have??  A $800 billion stimulus that looks more like a payoff to the leftists that helped him get elected?

The jury is still WAY out on this admin.

It's still very early. I think we should keep our facts straight, though.

I couldn't agree more...but you are clearly incapable of non-partisan thought.

[Butchers Bill]

i really dont see how you could complain about him at all so far...but the right wing loons going off about him 24/7 are ridiculous....at least the left waited until bush farged up to kill him

You cannot be serious.

Partisan politics (at the current extremes) have been going on since 1992 and continue to get worse and worse.  The GOP was on Clinton immediately, the Dems were on Bush immediately, and the GOP was on Obama immediately. 

Welcome to politics in the USA. 

[Geowhizzer]

i really dont see how you could complain about him at all so far...but the right wing loons going off about him 24/7 are ridiculous....at least the left waited until bush farged up to kill him

You cannot be serious.

American Partisan politics (at the current extremes) have been going on since 1992 1796 and continue to get worse and worse.  The GOP was on Clinton immediately, the Dems were on Bush immediately, and the GOP was on Obama immediately. 

Welcome to politics in the USA. 

Cue Mr. Washington:

I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the State, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally.

This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but, in those of the popular form, it is seen in its greatest rankness, and is truly their worst enemy.

The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty.

Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight), the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.

It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.

There is an opinion that parties in free countries are useful checks upon the administration of the government and serve to keep alive the spirit of liberty. This within certain limits is probably true; and in governments of a monarchical cast, patriotism may look with indulgence, if not with favor, upon the spirit of party. But in those of the popular character, in governments purely elective, it is a spirit not to be encouraged. From their natural tendency, it is certain there will always be enough of that spirit for every salutary purpose. And there being constant danger of excess, the effort ought to be by force of public opinion, to mitigate and assuage it. A fire not to be quenched, it demands a uniform vigilance to prevent its bursting into a flame, lest, instead of warming, it should consume.

[ice grillin you]

i really dont see how you could complain about him at all so far...but the right wing loons going off about him 24/7 are ridiculous....at least the left waited until bush farged up to kill him

You cannot be serious.

Partisan politics (at the current extremes) have been going on since 1992 and continue to get worse and worse.  The GOP was on Clinton immediately, the Dems were on Bush immediately, and the GOP was on Obama immediately. 

Welcome to politics in the USA. 

100% serious maybe you werent living in the country when 911 happened and bush had not just the entire us but the world in the palm of his hand...and even in the 9 months before that it was all about the fraud of an election not about bush as president....people were even with him thru afghanastan and the patriot act...it wasnt until iraq happened that he lost everyone and people started not just looking at iraq but the dozens of other horrible decisons and policies that occured during his reign

[rjs246]

Arguing about the economy less than 6 months after the new president takes office is laughable. Argue the potential merits/deficiencies of his policies all you want, but looking for cold hard fact results at this point is nothing more than an attempt to argue for the sake of arguing. Nothing can be prove or even inferred about 90% of what he's done so far.

Black or white, left or right. There is a middle ground, clowns. It's called Rational Thought.

[ATV]

Really?  Do you even know what you posted?  Do you have any idea whatsoever what that represents?

Well, I'm not an economist, but I know enough that it represents that you're WRONG.

Regarding Buffett, the man that endorsed Obama, this is just what I'd expect him to say. He's always been a very patient and conservative investor. He's not the sort to go in front of the camera and say everything is farging great when things have merely stabilized. Aside from opinions, do you have any actual statistics/charts to demonstrate that our economy hasn't stablized?

First of all it will do nothing to help the environment and it will essentially tax many US companies out of business.

Sounds to me like you're a highly regarded specialist on the subject. I see no need for you to provide any actual evidence for this.

Secondly, explain to me how it's constitutional to force the California building code on every county, town, and city in the United States?

Uhh.....no?

Finally, explain to me how its wise in any way to "necessarily" increase utilities prices (Obama's words) in the current economic environment.

Yea. Booh-hoo. Of course if we were in boom times we'd hear the very same argument.

I will say that polls are highly subjective and you will get different results every time

You'll find all of those polls taken into account on Pollster's chart there. So, again, you were wrong. There's nothing wrong with that. We've all been there.

More like what else do you have??  A $800 billion stimulus that looks more like a payoff to the leftists that helped him get elected?

Well, don't forget the leftists are out to get us, comrade. Here's a link to a simplified list of everything the American Recovery and Investment Act, (or "Porkulus" as the facists and rednceck call it) puts money toward. Would you mind identifying some of the leftist payoffs you mention, like the 50 million dollars for the National Endowment of the Arts? That might really break us...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Recovery_and_Reinvestment_Act_of_2009

the Dems were on Bush immediately

Raise your hand if you believe Obama would have even an 80% approval rating if we had another man-made disaster...

[ice grillin you]

lol at right wing morons thinking the arts are some sort of leftist program...and people wonder why i hate MA

[ATV]

It's Obama's fault that another prominent Republican hypocritically cheated on his wife...

http://www.dailykostv.com/w/001872/

Sanford's part-time slam-piece...

[rjs246]

lol at right wing morons thinking the arts are some sort of leftist program...

This is one of my major beefs with the right. It's absurd.

[phillymic2000]

unemployment is going to get worse before it gets better maybe even hitting 10% before its all over but it always runs behind the rest of the economy...you have to get the rest of the shtein in order before you can start putting people back to work and so far thats happening....obviously barry doesnt deserve nearly all the credit for that but to say he isnt doing anything about the economy either is assinine

i really dont see how you could complain about him at all so far...but the right wing loons going off about him 24/7 are ridiculous....at least the left waited until bush farged up to kill him

I cry bullshtein. wasnt the "stimulus package" supposed to keep the unemployment under 10%. Where are all the fargin jobs that were promised when all this fargin money was approved? I'm not sayin President Obama has not done a good job in office, but lay off the Obama Kool Aid for christ's sake.


Reall IGY? I lost all faith in that bastich bush, but before that farger took office the first time, the left was all over him and continued for all 8 years, so get off your little horse and stop spreading the bullshtein. Go back to the Phillies thread and bitch about how much of a bitch ass World Champion team they are.

[phillymic2000]

The victim of this week's White Right Winger With A Gun...

this weeks victim of an illegal with a gun:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6498386.html

And ATV, why don't we start posting all the innocent victims killed in the inner city violence? I mean the majority of inner cities have been run by the dems for almost 30 some years. Clearly their programs and other policies have influenced all the people that vote for them and beilieve in them.

[Rome]

Are you idiots seriously suggesting that politicians are responsible for the acts of other people?

[phillymic2000]

Are you idiots seriously suggesting that politicians are responsible for the acts of other people?

According to some, Yes. Me nah, I could give an ish, but if ATV wants to throw every redneck in repub areas that goes off well then I think its only fair to bring on all the gangbangers that shoot randomly in Dem area.

Then again IGY would call what I did a right wing crazy ass setup/talking point. But when a lib does it, well its the God honest truth...

[Diomedes]

you are all worthless pieces of shtein.  kill yourselves.

[General_Failure]

Just as soon as you finish digging the graves.