Who needs to go? - Front Office / Coaching Staff

Started by PoopyfaceMcGee, November 27, 2006, 12:46:03 PM

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ice grillin you

Arguing about Heckert is a waste of time.  He has the GM title but we all know who the GM is.  It's Andy Reid.  Once Reid is gone we might actually get to find out what Heckert can do

BINGO

i dont care either way whether heckert stays or goes....but im willing to give him the benefit of the doubt were he kept simply because im not sure what his deal is

in fact id be down with clearing house except for heckert and have him hire the new regime and keep on who he wants
i can take a phrase thats rarely heard...flip it....now its a daily word

igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous

Cerevant

I guess since I'm the de-facto Banner sponsor, I should step up to the plate and defend his ass.  I know this will make me real popular with our resident racist, but WTF.

Joe Banner does not make personnel decisions.  He does not decide who to draft or who to sign in free agency.  He does not even restrict the scope of those activities.  He negotiates contracts.  Further, when told to get the deal done, he gets the deal done.  Heckert & Big Red set the parameters, and he gets the job done.  Banner didn't bench Hood, Reid did - I don't care why.

Let's piss off all the racists in one post - Banner only gets uppity when he is negotiating a deal where the league's unwritten rules indicate that a player is not worth what he is asking for - draft picks are the perfect example of this.  If a team signs a player outside of their salary "slot" that team is going to piss off every other team in the league - that's not how things are done.  OK, that's how Mr. Snyder would do it, but he doesn't count.

The bottom line is, when the personnel people tell banner to over-spend, he has no problem writing the check.  (see: Jon Runyan,  Jevon Kearse)  Reid ultimately decides how much he wants a player.  Banner just crunches the numbers.
An ad hominem fallacy consists of asserting that someone's argument is wrong and/or he is wrong to argue at all purely because of something discreditable/not-authoritative about the person or those persons cited by him rather than addressing the soundness of the argument itself.

Philly_Crew

Quote from: Cerevant on November 28, 2006, 06:14:23 AM
I guess since I'm the de-facto Banner sponsor, I should step up to the plate and defend his ass.  I know this will make me real popular with our resident racist, but WTF.

Joe Banner does not make personnel decisions.  He does not decide who to draft or who to sign in free agency.  He does not even restrict the scope of those activities.  He negotiates contracts.  Further, when told to get the deal done, he gets the deal done.  Heckert & Big Red set the parameters, and he gets the job done.  Banner didn't bench Hood, Reid did - I don't care why.

Let's piss off all the racists in one post - Banner only gets uppity when he is negotiating a deal where the league's unwritten rules indicate that a player is not worth what he is asking for - draft picks are the perfect example of this.  If a team signs a player outside of their salary "slot" that team is going to piss off every other team in the league - that's not how things are done.  OK, that's how Mr. Snyder would do it, but he doesn't count.

The bottom line is, when the personnel people tell banner to over-spend, he has no problem writing the check.  (see: Jon Runyan,  Jevon Kearse)  Reid ultimately decides how much he wants a player.  Banner just crunches the numbers.

Good points and I agree with most but it does appear Banner is an ass when negotiating.  As my wife always tells me, its not what I say but how I say it.

Cerevant

Quote from: Philly_Crew on November 28, 2006, 07:21:49 AM
Good points and I agree with most but it does appear Banner is an ass when negotiating.  As my wife always tells me, its not what I say but how I say it.

Yes, but rest assured that Rosenhaus, Steinberg, the Postons, etc. are asses too.  Players are just the puppets in the negotiation.
An ad hominem fallacy consists of asserting that someone's argument is wrong and/or he is wrong to argue at all purely because of something discreditable/not-authoritative about the person or those persons cited by him rather than addressing the soundness of the argument itself.

ice grillin you

Yes, but rest assured that Rosenhaus, Steinberg, the Postons, etc. are asses too.

but they dont work for the philadelphia eagles....i really could care less that banner is a despicable person...just dont be one for the eagles...hes a poison and needs to go...good things dont happen to bad people and the eagles will never win a superbowl as long as banner is there
i can take a phrase thats rarely heard...flip it....now its a daily word

igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous

Diomedes

Quote from: ice grillin you on November 28, 2006, 08:33:39 AMgood things dont happen to bad people

Yeah, right.  What farging world are you living in?
There is considerable overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists." - Yosemite Park Ranger

ice grillin you

i can take a phrase thats rarely heard...flip it....now its a daily word

igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous

Diomedes

Not if you think good things don't happen to bad people, you're not. 
There is considerable overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists." - Yosemite Park Ranger

ice grillin you

i can take a phrase thats rarely heard...flip it....now its a daily word

igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous

GeneralZOD

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Diomedes

I'd rather agree that you live a fantasy world where good things happen only to good people.  Ha.
There is considerable overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists." - Yosemite Park Ranger

ice grillin you

I'd rather agree that you live a fantasy world

agreed

in my world the wiffle football besomes the national sensation that it originally should have
i can take a phrase thats rarely heard...flip it....now its a daily word

igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous

Wingspan

Quote from: Diomedes on November 27, 2006, 07:56:21 PM
Quote from: MadMarchHare on November 27, 2006, 07:54:55 PMJust like Cole.

Those last three words aren't fair.  Cole has proven to be decent against the run.

no one on this defense is decent against the run
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Cerevant

Quote from: ice grillin you on November 28, 2006, 08:33:39 AM
Yes, but rest assured that Rosenhaus, Steinberg, the Postons, etc. are asses too.

but they dont work for the philadelphia eagles....i really could care less that banner is a despicable person...just dont be one for the eagles...hes a poison and needs to go...good things dont happen to bad people and the eagles will never win a superbowl as long as banner is there

Yeah, I know...in your perfect little world, there would be no salary cap and the teams would just say, "You know Drew, you are right.  McDougle should be the highest paid player in the NFL.  What were we thinking".  We all know that Ed Danny Snyder is your model of the perfect owner, committed to his team and the pursuit of football excellence.  Where multi-year contracts were meaningless, and where any player who whines loud enough gets a raise.

It should be clear to us that the taterskins are the true gold standard - the team that every other team should model their business practices and team affairs after.
An ad hominem fallacy consists of asserting that someone's argument is wrong and/or he is wrong to argue at all purely because of something discreditable/not-authoritative about the person or those persons cited by him rather than addressing the soundness of the argument itself.

ice grillin you

if the taterskins had a good gm...or any gm...they would be the gold standard...the continously spend money at unseen levels and never have to pay a price for it...snyders fiscal policy is great...its his player personel policy that is fatally flawed
i can take a phrase thats rarely heard...flip it....now its a daily word

igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous