Who needs to go? - Front Office / Coaching Staff

Started by PoopyfaceMcGee, November 27, 2006, 12:46:03 PM

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The BIGSTUD

Then I guess that means you are satisfied with the personnel on this team, because while Andy probably makes the final decisions in who comes and goes, Heckert is the one that evaluates who would be the best fit on this team and gets the ball rolling.

The personnel on this team sucks on defense and Heckert is more to blame for that than Andy... unless and this is the only excuse, but unless Lurie has them strapped and is refusing to open the wallet for specific players. I highly doubt that though, because he opened the wallet for Kearse and TO, and still that wouldn't excuse the bad drafts Heckert has been mainly responsible for.

Heckert and Andy both go hand in hand in picking the players, but again, Heckert is the one who evaluates and builds the profiles on these players who we bring in.
Calling it right on the $ since day one.
Just pointing laughing, and living it up while watching the Miami Heat stink it up.

Quasimoto

Quote from: General_Failure on November 27, 2006, 07:15:42 PM
Quote from: Northern Eagle on November 27, 2006, 04:28:14 PM
Maybe not everyone... the O-line is pretty good :)

The only coach from the Rhodes group. Coincidence? Shtein, fire Morningwood and promote Castillo to OC. Let him call the plays and see how many runs there are each game.

Not a bad idea actually.  Castillo is the only coach I would keep.  He has to groom these guys to pass block.  I wonder how often they practice run blocking in practice?

Diomedes

Yeah, Castillo is alright too I guess.  But I'm not going higher than two keepers.  Heckert and Castillo.  Kill the rest.
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General_Failure

Quote from: King Cole on November 27, 2006, 07:16:37 PM
:drool

Shut up. Learn to read. Stop posting. Stop breathing. Why haven't you killed yourself yet, anyway?

The man. The myth. The legend.

MadMarchHare

Quote from: King Cole on November 27, 2006, 07:16:37 PM
Then I guess that means you are satisfied with the personnel on this team, because while Andy probably makes the final decisions in who comes and goes, Heckert is the one that evaluates who would be the best fit on this team and gets the ball rolling.

The personnel on this team sucks on defense and Heckert is more to blame for that than Andy... unless and this is the only excuse, but unless Lurie has them strapped and is refusing to open the wallet for specific players. I highly doubt that though, because he opened the wallet for Kearse and TO, and still that wouldn't excuse the bad drafts Heckert has been mainly responsible for.

Heckert and Andy both go hand in hand in picking the players, but again, Heckert is the one who evaluates and builds the profiles on these players who we bring in.

Man you're slow.  Reid and Johnson tell Heckert what they're looking for in a player at position X.  Heckert rank orders the players available, based on how well they fit the profile.  The guys they drafted are well suited to Reid and Johnson's philosophies.  The problem is the philosophies are flawed.  So you don't kill the messenger.
Anyone but Reid.

The BIGSTUD

So you want to keep Heckert because he has done what well exactly? Blame Reid and Johnson for the personnel all you want, but what has Heckert himself done good?

Darren Howard - bad signing
Dhani Jones - bad signing
Mike McMahon - bad signing
Jevon Kearse - hasn't nearly played to the level he has been payed

That isn't even getting into the draft. I suppose Andy scouted all the players himself and is at fault for the drafts too?
Calling it right on the $ since day one.
Just pointing laughing, and living it up while watching the Miami Heat stink it up.

MadMarchHare

Nevermind, Cole.  You argue like my wife.  Preparing your next statement instead of listening.
Must be nice to always be right.
Anyone but Reid.

The BIGSTUD

Surely if you want to keep Heckert, you could tell me what he has done to be deserving of keeping his job. I don't mean blame it on Reid and Johnson. Forget about everyone else for a second. Tell me what Heckert has done well that makes him stand out as a good personnel guy.

You're on the clock.
Calling it right on the $ since day one.
Just pointing laughing, and living it up while watching the Miami Heat stink it up.

Quasimoto

Arguing about Heckert is a waste of time.  He has the GM title but we all know who the GM is.  It's Andy Reid.  Once Reid is gone we might actually get to find out what Heckert can do.  Until then he's irrelevant.

farg Andy Reid.

Susquehanna Birder

Quote from: King Cole on November 27, 2006, 07:24:14 PM
Darren Howard - bad signing
Dhani Jones - bad signing
Mike McMahon - bad signing
Jevon Kearse - hasn't nearly played to the level he has been payed

Howard at DT, with Kearse at DE, was an excellent thing. With Kearse out, moving Howard to DE makes him just another chump.

The BIGSTUD

Quote from: Hoe Cakes on November 27, 2006, 07:32:12 PM
Arguing about Heckert is a waste of time.  He has the GM title but we all know who the GM is.  It's Andy Reid.  Once Reid is gone we might actually get to find out what Heckert can do.  Until then he's irrelevant.

farg Andy Reid.

See it wasn't that difficult. Even though I disagree with you, I'll even give you that. If Heckert is promoted to full-time GM then it might be easier to grade him... even though I still think Andy doesn't do nearly as much personnel studying and evaluating as Heckert does.

But saying you want to keep Heckert is a different story. If you want to keep someone, usually you can explain why you want them to keep the job.

For example a Patriots fan might say, I want to keep Bill Belichick because he has won Superbowls.

Then I would want to keep Heckert because...? If he stays whatever, but he hasn't done anything in my mind which makes him a guy who must stay. What has he done to seperate himself from other personnel guys in this league?
Calling it right on the $ since day one.
Just pointing laughing, and living it up while watching the Miami Heat stink it up.

MadMarchHare

Heckert's still here because they've given him what he wants to stay.  He's a hot commodity out there.  And owner's are much better at evaluating their right hand men (in general) than they are at talent (re:  Snyder).

Heckert recruits what he's told to recruit.  Give him a coach that knows what the farg he's doing, and he'll recruit guys that fit the mold.

Tell him "I want small, fast DEs that can outrush a OT, but are a liability against the run (because stopping the run is irrelevant)", and he found McDougle.  Who fits that mold perfectly.  Just like Cole.
Anyone but Reid.

Eaglez

Castillo is OK, but it sure did take him long enough to sure up the offensive line. I remember a couple of years back where everyone was calling for his head and making fun of him for riding around in that little electric wheelchair after he injured himself.

And, I'm not going to blow my load over him either -- they manhandled a pitiful Colts front 7 who are among the worst in the league against the run; not as bad as the Eagles but up there. The O Line would not even been remotely successful against the likes of the Ravens front 7. They would show their pussiness once more.

200+ yards in 3 out of the last 4 games, and approximately 150 in all of those games is ridiculous.


Diomedes

Quote from: MadMarchHare on November 27, 2006, 07:54:55 PMJust like Cole.

Those last three words aren't fair.  Cole has proven to be decent against the run.
There is considerable overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists." - Yosemite Park Ranger

MadMarchHare

Narf?  I love Cole, but I haven't seen anyone on this defense who is worth a shtein against the run.
Anyone but Reid.