Who needs to go? - Front Office / Coaching Staff

[SD_Eagle5]

it was when the eagles were that close for so long and didnt go all out for a title is when i turned on this regime...it was indefensable

In their defense they did sign Kearse and TO to enormous deals in the same offseason to get the team over the hump.

[ice grillin you]

In their defense they did sign Kearse and TO to enormous deals in the same offseason to get the team over the hump.

three years too late and the city basically had to threaten to burn them down for it to happen...color me not impressed

[Tomahawk]

In their defense they did sign Kearse and TO to enormous deals in the same offseason to get the team over the hump.

three years too late and the city basically had to threaten to burn them down for it to happen...color me not impressed

I don't think the city threatening them had anything to do with it. Kearse wasn't a free agent, nor was Owens on the trading block before that year.

[ice grillin you]

bottom line is they had a great opportunity to win a superbowl and yet they had a hard time even making one in a horrendous conference all because they wanted to be good against the cap

they can all die

[SD_Eagle5]

bottom line is they had a great opportunity to win a superbowl and yet they had a hard time even making one in a horrendous conference all because they wanted to be good against the cap

they can all die

2001 - The Rams were Superbowl favorites and hardly what I'd consider 'horrendus'
2002 - Bucs won the Superbowl by a large margin and hardly what I'd consider 'horrendus'
2003 - Carolina fought tooth and nail with Pats and almost pulled the upset, also hardly what I'd consider 'horrendus'

[Drunkmasterflex]

For me the model would be the Baltimore Ravens they went out and made a huge push for one year and it won them a Super Bowl.  They then of course had to rebuild but it didn't take them long with a GM like Ozzie Newsome.  While they haven't exactly been awesome the past few years they have been competitive and look poised to make a strong run this season.  I think we can all agree that we would give our left nut for a Super Bowl and have six years of mediocrity before having a chance to win another. 

[SunMo]

so, from 2003 to 2005, 3 years total, two of them they were in the bottom half of spending and one year they were the 2nd overall. 

that's not exactly a ringing endorsement for all those people who claim that they are towards the top of the spending "each year"

[ice grillin you]

For me the model would be the Baltimore Ravens they went out and made a huge push for one year and it won them a Super Bowl.  They then of course had to rebuild but it didn't take them long with a GM like Ozzie Newsome.  While they haven't exactly been awesome the past few years they have been competitive and look poised to make a strong run this season.  I think we can all agree that we would give our left nut for a Super Bowl and have six years of mediocrity before having a chance to win another. 

im totally on board with this....but i will say that ozzie is light years ahead of reid in the player personel area and that makes a big difference

the eagles have a lethal combination of not being able to identify unknown talent and the unwillingness to spend on the known talent...thats why they are in the mess you see now

[Drunkmasterflex]

Newsome is definately one of the league's best. 

[The BIGSTUD]

The last 2 offseasons were more frustrating than any. They get dominated on the line of scrimmage in the Superbowl and go out and sign Mike frickin McMahon and the following year they have their first losing season in years and instead of admitting they aren't good enough, they blame it on TO and McNabb's injury and sign Darren Howard and Shawn Barber.

This team is farging cheap, I don't care how you slice it. The Eagles always talk about how they spend all of their money by the end of the season, but they spend it on extending players that they don't even need to extend(Greg Lewis, Mike Patterson, Darwin Walker years back).

Also the fact that they refuse to overspend is a joke. Sometimes to get what you want you need to overspend a little. Will it hurt you financially? Maybe a little, but it HELPS YOUR TEAM. That is the goal here. First and foremost to make your team better.

[bobbyinlondon]

I haven't posted on here in a while, but I'll put my two cents in s I did on the EMB.  I think Lurie has to clean the whole organization out.  It'll be difficult for him to do because of his buddy Banner, but my reasons are below:

Banner--there have been several articles in the Philly papers over the last few years that have suggested that Banner and Reid don't always see eye to eye on a players' worth.  So he needs to go out the door if that's the case.

Heckert--he brought in Jason Licht, who was supposed to be the next great GM-in-waiting from the Pats, and they've replaced all of the scouts, but so far, the drafts have produced very few impact players. True, the 2005 draft with Herremans, Brown, Patterson as starters might be good and this year's might be very decent once they all get on the field, but in between, very questionable.

Reid--as much as I love what he's done to revive the fortunes of the franchise, his system and his message have become stale. There was an excellent article in the Philly paper today saying "Andy the coach must avoid the stale feeling"--or words to that effect. Actually, I think it started last year. It's what killed Vermeil in 1982--the vets on that particular team got tired of Vermeil's message and basically after they came back from the strike, they quit playing--with the exception of the Cowboys game that year.

Johnson--again, his system has become stale. He built his defense to take care of offenses that loved to pass, but in the last couple of years, at least, teams now go to max protect, and run the ball. He hasn't adjusted. And for all the personnel decisions that Reid makes, Johnson has at least a lot of input on who he wants on the defensive side of the ball.

It's time to sweep this whole regime out--it's just a question of if Lurie has the guts and can find people who can be a trusted GM and a trusted cap guru. As far as coaches go, I 'd like to see a fresh face--no Gruden, no Fisher--a fresh face with an in-your-face defense and a pounding running game--and even if they have a passing offense, then I hope they have the sense to bring in WRs that can at least catch consistently.

[Cerevant]

So again, to play devil's advocate - how did Bill Cowher's message not get stale after all those years of mediocrity?  It was 9 years after their first Superbowl loss that Cowher took the Steelers to the big game again.

[General_Failure]

Good defense, power running game, zesty division?

[ice grillin you]

So again, to play devil's advocate - how did Bill Cowher's message not get stale after all those years of mediocrity?  It was 9 years after their first Superbowl loss that Cowher took the Steelers to the big game again.

i could argue that cowher is a players coach and filled with fire and brimestone...guys love playing for someone that...he also wasnt the gm and seen as a shill for the devil himself (banner)...he fights for his players

that said i think the message thing is overrated...much more important is that reid is a horrible coach and always has been even when they were winning

[Cerevant]

i could argue that cowher is a players coach and filled with fire and brimestone...guys love playing for someone that...he also wasnt the gm and seen as a shill for the devil himself (banner)...he fights for his players

Actually, that's the kind of "message" that is typified as getting stale.  Loud guys burst on the scene and make an immediate impact, shaking things up and getting big results...then peter out.  See: Gruden, Parcells, Mike Keenan in the NHL is famous for this.

that said i think the message thing is overrated...much more important is that reid is a horrible coach and always has been even when they were winning

Unfortunately, I have to agree with that sentiment.