Who needs to go? - Offense / ST's

[Munson]

Merely committing to running the ball more won't work.  They actually have to have a running back who is able to run it 25-30 times a game.

We all know that won't happen with Reid as the head coach so all this hubbub is really pointless, fellas.

I'm fine with Westbrook getting 18-22 carrieis a game with a bigger back getting anohter 10-12. Westbrook's on the verge of breaking 2000 yards from scrimmage....get him a solid compliment and be willing to run more then 30 times a game, and we'd have a very potent offense.

[Rome]

We already have a potent offense.  The problem is, the offense is predicated on the pass and teams that pass the ball to the degree that the Eagles do rarely win championships.  In fact, I don't think one has ever won a championship.  They've gotten close, but as someone said earlier, even the Rams had Marshall Faulk running the ball.

And before you say it, Westbrook is no Marshall Faulk.  Not by a long shot.

[MadMarchHare]

you think a 30 year old who isnt a great qb to begin with and coming off a bad knee injury is a franchise qb?

We are clearly defining "franchise QB" differently.  My definition is a very good to elite QB who can take over a game consistently.

I am by no means comparing McNabb to Elway here, but by your definition Elway was not a franchise QB when he won two Super Bowls because he was in his 30's and had bad knees.

There's a difference, though.  Denver had a running game that, you know, they used.  They didn't depend on Elway to win games.  And Elway didn't have a torn ACL in his career (at least, not one I remember).  He'll be 32 when he's fully recovered from this injury.  The team need a new coach, and a total overhaul.  Keeping McNabb as part of that - not an option.

I agree with RJS, though.  None of that will happen.

[General_Failure]

McNabb has already lost a step, but the agility and arm strength were there this season. He's never had shoulder soreness after a game, so he could play until he's 45 in theory. Just get the guy a running game and some farging TEs that can block once in a while. Maybe receivers that can catch. Someone to catch & roll for the worm burners...

[Munson]

We already have a potent offense.  The problem is, the offense is predicated on the pass and teams that pass the ball to the degree that the Eagles do rarely win championships.  In fact, I don't think one has ever won a championship.  They've gotten close, but as someone said earlier, even the Rams had Marshall Faulk running the ball.

And before you say it, Westbrook is no Marshall Faulk.  Not by a long shot.

Well, exactly. They need a coach, or someone, who's going to be willing to run the ball more then 37% of the time. Westbrook can get the bulk of the carries, but bring in another guy....hell lets see if Buckhalter can do it this year, we got plenty of games left that don't matter....Who can carry 10, 12, 15 if he has to. Westbrook is a lethal player himself, imagine what it'd be like to have a bigger compliment to him that the Eagles actually used.

And I don't know who to compare Westbrook to....He's kind of made his own niche. I really hope he breaks 2000 and gets the recognition he deserves....I don't, however, hope he ever EVER ends up on the cover of Madden.

[Eaglez]

The Colts have a potent offense.

The Eagles have a hit-and-miss offense. Sometimes they look real good, sometimes they are God awful. Until they get more consistent I wouldn't really say they are potent, because to me potent is tantamount to consistency.

[rjs246]

Amen, Z.

[Munson]

The Colts have a potent offense.

The Eagles have a hit-and-miss offense. Sometimes they look real good, sometimes they are God awful. Until they get more consistent I wouldn't really say they are potent, because to me potent is tantamount to consistency.

Is this because of the skill level of the offense, or because the horrible play calling that has left them in 2nd/3rd and longs all season? Imagine how much better this offense would be if Reid would farging pick up 4-8 yards on the first two downs and ate up a little clock, instead of passing and being at 3rd and 10 in under 10 seconds.

[PhilLeeD]

QUOTE: I'm fine with Westbrook getting 18-22 carrieis a game with a bigger back getting anohter 10-12. Westbrook's on the verge of breaking 2000 yards from scrimmage....get him a solid compliment and be willing to run more then 30 times a game, and we'd have a very potent offense.

Excellent Idea!  Why didn't the Eagles think about what everybody else is doing that works?  They hold onto Buckhalter forever and for wha? Then don't use him to back up Westbrook until the season is lost.  They don't even use Moats, who is a little Westbrook, at all.  Even Spadaro is disapointed they didn't use Moats this season, and he is so far ON THE INSIDE, that he can't even see Outside.   
Dallas got Marion Barber to back up Jones
Giants got Brandon Jacobs to back up Tiki

Get the Idea?  Imagine a Stephen Jackson Monster type backing up Westbrook.

[rjs246]

Imagine Stephen Jackson replacing Westbrook completely.
Or imagine Westbrook as the third down back/kick returner/gadget receiver that he should be with Jackson carrying the load.

Yeah, we've all imagined it being the way it should be. Sadly, that isn't the way Andy Reid's fat head wants it. farg Andy Reid.

[PhilLeeD]

Yup.   A big Monster FB to back up Westbrook, who does get better as the game goes on by the way, and protect the McNabb of the Future would extend the life of that Battery allright.  Eagles still have the OLine.

Would the Receivers and Tight Ends be better able to catch the ball with a running game like that? 

[rjs246]

Uh, you lost me. FB? McNabb of the Future? The running game helping the receivers catch the ball? I think we have another crack smoker here.

[Munson]

Imagine Stephen Jackson replacing Westbrook completely.
Or imagine Westbrook as the third down back/kick returner/gadget receiver that he should be with Jackson carrying the load.

Yeah, we've all imagined it being the way it should be. Sadly, that isn't the way Andy Reid's fat head wants it. farg Andy Reid.

What's wrong with what they've been using Westbrook for now? 18-22 carries, another 5+ "gadget receiver" plays per game. Having a  Stephen Jackson type player and Brian Westbrook on the same roster is not only impossible because of play time, but also because of money. Jackson hasn't really done much more then Westbrook this year anyway, and he's supposed to be a "workhorse" back....

Jackson-
Rushing: 932 yards, 6 TD's
Recieving:  63 catches, 553 yards, 0 TD's

Westbrook-
Rushing: 839 yards, 5 TD's
Recieving: 60 catches, 530 yards, 3 TD's


Lets stick with Westbrook and find a Brandon Jacobs type player, please. PLEASE.
And get someone else to call the plays and make this offense balanced, please. PLEASE.

God the more we talk about the run game and a big RB to compliment Westbrook, the more I hate Andy Reid.

[rjs246]

As I've already shown you repeatedly, the difference is that Westbrook is fragile and bound to get hurt. But you already knew that. Also, considering the fact that Jackson is a big bruiser, and the fact that he has as many receptions and yards as Westbrook, I'll take Jackson over Westbrook every day of the week.

[Munson]

As I've already shown you repeatedly, the difference is that Westbrook is fragile and bound to get hurt. But you already knew that. Also, considering the fact that Jackson is a big bruiser, and the fact that he has as many receptions and yards as Westbrook, I'll take Jackson over Westbrook every day of the week.

Yeah Westbrook's just been so fragile this year carrying a bigger load then he ever has.
If Jackson is supposed to be the big workhorse back, and Westbrook is trapped in the pass-happy offense, why aren't his stats blowing Westbrook's out of the water?

You take the bigger, slower RB...I'll stick with the guy that about 3 people in the NFL can cover, can take it to the house on any play, and makes guys miss like nobody's business. Get him a solid, big back up who can carry the ball 10+ times a game and I'm happy. Well...if Reid runs the ball.