Donte' Stallworth

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Quote from: ice grillin you on January 31, 2007, 07:04:02 PM
I hope he's real sincere

its really not up to donte...if its real close he perhaps can take a miniscule amount less to stay somwhere...but otherwise he HAS to leave per the union...also the union will be pushing him big time to hit the open market and once that happens hes gone

that said his comments are somewhat promising and they give me a glimmer of hope that wasnt previously there...yet i still cant see a scenario where he doesnt hit the open market


Why is it up to the union?

Trotter came back in 2005 for less money....Runyan had a better offer from the Jets and came back. If you haven't heard, in one of the interviews yesterday, Lance Briggs even said he'd be willing to re-sign with the Bears "at a hometown discount".

ice grillin you

because the union will not allow arguably the top free agent on the market to not cake off in a huge way

trotter was a nothing back then...no one wanted him coming off his hideous stay in washington and a blown knee

runyan actually didnt get less money from the eagles...the eagles upped their offer the last second to more money than the jets were offering if he completed what was a short contract...yes the jets were offering a little more up front and thats where the 'discount' came in

these players love to talk up the hometown discount as it makes them look better to fans...but believe that any discount they take is a mirage like the runyan deal or its so miniscule that the union allows it

its not always a case of direct orders from the top of the union its a matter of being a member of the union and were a player to take a lot less money than they can potentially get they would be running the pockets of their fellow union members as it hurts what they could potentially get...in addition it could be hurting yourself as well cause one day you might be a free agent again
i can take a phrase thats rarely heard...flip it....now its a daily word

igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous

PhillyGirl

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QuoteStallworth says he'd like to return

Donté Stallworth didn't get to live out his Super Bowl dream this season with the Eagles, but he did make his way to Super Bowl XLI.

So where's he going next?

The wide receiver said yesterday that he hopes the answer to that question is "back to Philadelphia."

"I hope they want me back," Stallworth said at the Miami Beach Convention Center, after he and New Orleans quarterback Drew Brees completed an interview with the VH1 network.

Stallworth is an unrestricted free agent represented by agent Drew Rosenhaus. The Eagles acquired Stallworth in late August from the Saints, and he finished with 38 catches for 725 yards and five touchdowns despite missing four games because of a hamstring injury.

He also contributed six catches for 141 yards and scored touchdowns in the Eagles' playoff games against the New York Giants and Saints.

The consensus among Eagles fans and players is that the team should bring back Stallworth next season. The growing belief, however, is that another NFL team will give the wide receiver a big contract that the Eagles will be unwilling to match.

Stallworth said the Eagles don't necessarily have to match the highest offer.

"I think they've talked a little bit to Drew [Rosenhaus]," Stallworth said. "I'm sure there are going to be teams that offer me more, but in my case, it's not going to be all about the money. I want to make sure I'm in a place that has a chance to win a Super Bowl year in and year out, and everything was perfect for me in Philadelphia. I've been loving it ever since I've been there... and I definitely plan on being there."


That said, Stallworth conceded that he plans to listen to offers from other teams when the free agency period begins next month.

"I think I'd be cheating myself and my family if I didn't at least see what other opportunities were out there," said Stallworth, who is 26. "But I have all intentions of being an Eagle next year."

The money, of course, surely will have a major influence on Stallworth's final decision, but he is sincere about wanting to remain with the Eagles. Stallworth said he is spending this weekend with teammate Brian Westbrook, who arrived on South Beach yesterday.

"Those are my boys," he said. "I had a good time with those guys and I loved playing with them.
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Cerevant

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 01, 2007, 09:20:11 AM
because the union will not allow arguably the top free agent on the market to not cake off in a huge way

Allow is a bit strong.  The best they can do is tell the player they are being an idiot - take the TO contract for instance.  They knew that Joseph was an incompetent idiot, and that TO was being screwed, so they told him not to sign.  TO signed it anyway, and there was nothing the union could do about it.

Stallworth could sign for the vet minimum if he wants.  If he did, he would piss of a lot of people.  He would be a complete idiot if he settled for vet minimum.  He won't, but he could...and the union could not stop him.
An ad hominem fallacy consists of asserting that someone's argument is wrong and/or he is wrong to argue at all purely because of something discreditable/not-authoritative about the person or those persons cited by him rather than addressing the soundness of the argument itself.

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ice grillin you

Allow is a bit strong.  The best they can do is tell the player they are being an idiot - take the TO contract for instance.  They knew that Joseph was an incompetent idiot, and that TO was being screwed, so they told him not to sign.  TO signed it anyway, and there was nothing the union could do about it.

not applicable here....you can count on one finger the amount of teams that wanted TO other than the eagles...and the ravens were offering less money...the way the eagles contract was structured is what the union objected to not that he was taking way less momney than he could have gotten elsewhere

Stallworth could sign for the vet minimum if he wants.

sure if he wanted to he could paly for free too....not sure what your point is
i can take a phrase thats rarely heard...flip it....now its a daily word

igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous

Cerevant

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 01, 2007, 09:35:15 AM
Allow is a bit strong.  The best they can do is tell the player they are being an idiot - take the TO contract for instance.  They knew that Joseph was an incompetent idiot, and that TO was being screwed, so they told him not to sign.  TO signed it anyway, and there was nothing the union could do about it.

not applicable here...
Yes, it is applicable - The union does not have the final say on contracts, except...

QuoteStallworth could sign for the vet minimum if he wants.

sure if he wanted to he could paly for free too....not sure what your point is
No, he couldn't.  The terms of the CBA say he cannot play for less than the vet minimum.  That is the only way the union can shoot down a contract - if it violates the CBA.
An ad hominem fallacy consists of asserting that someone's argument is wrong and/or he is wrong to argue at all purely because of something discreditable/not-authoritative about the person or those persons cited by him rather than addressing the soundness of the argument itself.

ice grillin you

yes he could....he could donate his entire salary...thus playig for free...the point is just like him paying for the mimimum in your scenario it would never happen...youre making up impossible hypotheticals for no other reason than to take an opposing view

and you know what....i declare you the winner....now leave me alone
i can take a phrase thats rarely heard...flip it....now its a daily word

igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous

Cerevant

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 01, 2007, 09:57:00 AM
...youre making up impossible hypotheticals for no other reason than to take an opposing view

You stated that the union could "allow" or "not allow" a player to sign for a certain amount.  I presented a hypothetical counterexample to demonstrate you were wrong.

Quoteand you know what....i declare you the winner....now leave me alone

Every time you start talking out your ass, you can count on me being there to kick it.
An ad hominem fallacy consists of asserting that someone's argument is wrong and/or he is wrong to argue at all purely because of something discreditable/not-authoritative about the person or those persons cited by him rather than addressing the soundness of the argument itself.

Wingspan

Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 01, 2007, 09:29:35 AM
QuoteStallworth says he'd like to return

Donté Stallworth didn't get to live out his Super Bowl dream this season with the Eagles, but he did make his way to Super Bowl XLI.

So where's he going next?

The wide receiver said yesterday that he hopes the answer to that question is "back to Philadelphia."

"I hope they want me back," Stallworth said at the Miami Beach Convention Center, after he and New Orleans quarterback Drew Brees completed an interview with the VH1 network.

Stallworth is an unrestricted free agent represented by agent Drew Rosenhaus. The Eagles acquired Stallworth in late August from the Saints, and he finished with 38 catches for 725 yards and five touchdowns despite missing four games because of a hamstring injury.

He also contributed six catches for 141 yards and scored touchdowns in the Eagles' playoff games against the New York Giants and Saints.

The consensus among Eagles fans and players is that the team should bring back Stallworth next season. The growing belief, however, is that another NFL team will give the wide receiver a big contract that the Eagles will be unwilling to match.

Stallworth said the Eagles don't necessarily have to match the highest offer.

"I think they've talked a little bit to Drew [Rosenhaus]," Stallworth said. "I'm sure there are going to be teams that offer me more, but in my case, it's not going to be all about the money. I want to make sure I'm in a place that has a chance to win a Super Bowl year in and year out, and everything was perfect for me in Philadelphia. I've been loving it ever since I've been there... and I definitely plan on being there."


That said, Stallworth conceded that he plans to listen to offers from other teams when the free agency period begins next month.

"I think I'd be cheating myself and my family if I didn't at least see what other opportunities were out there," said Stallworth, who is 26. "But I have all intentions of being an Eagle next year."

The money, of course, surely will have a major influence on Stallworth's final decision, but he is sincere about wanting to remain with the Eagles. Stallworth said he is spending this weekend with teammate Brian Westbrook, who arrived on South Beach yesterday.

"Those are my boys," he said. "I had a good time with those guys and I loved playing with them.
"

We all know Stallworth is really saying "Donovan is a Hoyda, I'm going to play for the taterskins next season.

Sheesh  ::)
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MURP

Stallworth is actually setting Banner up to get a lowball offer? 

like Banner needs any help with that. 

ice grillin you

i can take a phrase thats rarely heard...flip it....now its a daily word

igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous

Wingspan

Reverse Psychology.

I can see it now, half the roster will need to be cut to fit under the 2008 cap. Damn Stallworth.
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Quote from: Wingspan on February 01, 2007, 11:21:51 AM
Reverse Psychology.

I can see it now, half the roster will need to be cut to fit under the 2008 cap. Damn Stallworth.

ha.    Banner sitting behind his desk with that shrew face making sure that no player ever gets what he wants.    200 million for Stallworth!