McNabb's Remark

[Beermonkey]

for someone to even bring that back up- with the start of a new season- is just so bored and uncreative in finding a story.
Thats all this team needs is negative press--idiots

Well get ready because Cataldi is stirring the black-on-black crab pot or some such.  He's on right now firing up the masses.

[rjs246]

I love how clowns hide behind the "realist" tag when bashing the team. Admit that youre a hater and get out from behind the "realist" cloak. I also like how people start off a good bash session by stating how long they have owned season tickets, been a fan or how they want to win as much as anyone.

We all have our opinions. Yours are on the hater side of things. Admit it. Embrace the darkside and live with it. And then man up when McNabb proves you wrong.

Phreak, you HAVE to get off the homer tip. There is a farging massive amount of real estate between your opinion of McNabb and actually 'hating' him. And believe me, reality lies in between. Your homerism has rocketed off the charts recently and frankly, you're embarrassing yourself.

I love that McNabb (along with Reid) have brought respectability, stability and occasional dominance to this team. I love his ability and occasionally love his attitude. He's obviously one of the better Qbs in the NFL right now and has been an effective leader.

I hate that McNabb (along with Reid) have ruined this franchise's best opportunities to win a championship over the past 6 years. He has come up so small when the stakes were he highest that only a blinded taterskins-esque homer would not see it.

You're the one who obsessively posts Art's quotes from ES in the point and laugh thread and you're sounding more and more like him by the second...

[reese125]

for someone to even bring that back up- with the start of a new season- is just so bored and uncreative in finding a story.
Thats all this team needs is negative press--idiots

Well get ready because Cataldi is stirring the black-on-black crab pot or some such.  He's on right now firing up the masses.

Hes another idiot--who next month will be wondering why there is so much negative press surrounding McNabb this year. He needs to stick to hot sauce and wings

[Beermonkey]

You're the one who obsessively posts Art's quotes from ES in the point and laugh thread and you're sounding more and more like him by the second...

If that was the case, he'd have Reno Mahe & Josh Parry listed as potential HOF inductees.    I see Phreak's point though, as a lot of people who tend to dwell on the predominantly negative side, tend to overuse the term "realist" when describing themselves.

I don't think many would disagree with your assertion of McNabb, though a lot of fans don't factor in the positives you mentioned.

[SD_Eagle5]

i cant believe people have actually compared mcnabb to jim kelly anc dan marino much less peyton manning...and fwiw mcnabb is not a pro bowl caliber qb...hes had one true probowl year and that was 2004...the other years he made it because of injuries and because of the horrible qb situation in the nfc...the guy is a good solid qb no more no less...please dont put him in a league with dan marino and jim kelly

Name me a QB in the NFL, nevermind that, name me a QB in the history of the NFL who's done more with less. Every time I ask this question I either get A) Some cop out answer as to why that question isn't important or B) The Brady argument from the '02 Pats, and if thats the case then my argument holds water.

[Beermonkey]

and fwiw mcnabb is not a pro bowl caliber qb...hes had one true probowl year and that was 2004...

So you're saying he's a Pro-Bowl QB then?

[Rome]

McNabb finished second in NFL MVP voting in 2000.  Was that an aberration as well?

[Wingspan]

McNabb finished second in NFL MVP voting in 2000.  Was that an aberration as well?

it's all an aberration...we all know that the truth is mcnabb is a 12 year old white girl who shouldnt even be in the nfl.

[reese125]

McNabb finished second in NFL MVP voting in 2000.  Was that an aberration as well?

it's all an aberration...we all know that the truth is mcnabb is a 12 year old white girl who shouldnt even be in the nfl.

[ice grillin you]

  So you're saying he's a Pro-Bowl QB then?

Sure

but then so are scott mitchell michael vick and mark bulger

probowl is one of the least important attributes of being a great player


Name me a QB in the NFL, nevermind that, name me a QB in the history of the NFL who's done more with less. Every time I ask this question I either get A) Some cop out answer as to why that question isn't important or B) The Brady argument from the '02 Pats, and if thats the case then my argument holds water.

i would name marino and elway and others but all you will do is say how great their wr's were....when in reality thier wr's were only anything because they were such great qb's...a qb elevates the players around him...he makes bad wr's good ones and good wr's great ones...with mcnabb its the other way around...he needs a TO to make him great

this isnt a knock on mcnabb in anyway...he simply isnt a great qb...however good qb's have won the sb...hopefully mcnabb is one of them

[reese125]

McNabb finished second in NFL MVP voting in 2000.  Was that an aberration as well?

yes it was. because McNabb taking off and rushing for 600+ yards and getting 6 rushing TD's is false hope for the remainder of his career

[SD_Eagle5]

Name me a QB in the NFL, nevermind that, name me a QB in the history of the NFL who's done more with less. Every time I ask this question I either get A) Some cop out answer as to why that question isn't important or B) The Brady argument from the '02 Pats, and if thats the case then my argument holds water.

i would name marino and elway and others but all you will do is say how great their wr's were....when in reality thier wr's were only anything because they were such great qb's...a qb elevates the players around him...he makes bad wr's good ones and good wr's great ones...with mcnabb its the other way around...he needs a TO to make him great

this isnt a knock on mcnabb in anyway...he simply isnt a great qb...however good qb's have won the sb...hopefully mcnabb is one of them

Clayton and Duper are hall of famers compared to anything besides TO that McNabbs had to throw too. Rod Smith was a good WR with Elway and is a good WR without him, McCafferey and an outstanding running game were also a big help. Those comparisons are a complete joke and you know it.

[ice grillin you]

Those comparisons are a complete joke and you know it.

they really arent

but if you need to say clayton and duper were great wr's in order artifically inflate mcnabb then knock yourself out

unless he wins a sb mcnabb is just another very good qb in this league...hes in with a hundred others of his kind...hes joe theisman without a superbowl...hes not even on the same planet as the the elways and marinos...

[MadMarchHare]

Dude, bad QBs have won a SB.  See Mark Rypien, Roethlisberger.  Winning a SB is also a bad yard stick for the "quality" of a QB.  McNabb brings a lot to the table, and has done a lot with a little.  I'm glad he's finally starting to walk away from TO questions.  That was my biggest worry, that he was going to act like a pouty 17 year old girl who got dumped right before the prom.  If that doesn't happen, it's all good.  He's got the tools to succeed this year, as he has in the past.  Barring injury, they win 10-12 games this season.

[Rome]

Is the 134 touchdowns against only 66 interceptions he's thrown in his career an aberration as well?  How about the 21 rushing touchdowns he's made?   Nothing but luck, right?   

How about the four straight appearances in the NFCCG?  If he's such a mediocre quarterback, how did he manage to win all those preliminary games before getting to the conference championship games?  Was it his fault that the defense did nothing against Tampa Bay?  How about against Carolina?  Was it his fault that Pinkston got bitch slapped by a half-pint midget like Ricky Manning, Jr.?  Maybe his getting speared by Greg Favors in that game was his fault too?

Let's examine something else for a moment:  Who has he had to throw to in his career?  Has he had a Jerry Rice for multiple seasons?  Has he had an Andre Reed or Mark Duper or Rod Smith?  No.   He had Owens for one year and lit the league on fire.  Is it his fault that the receivers the Eagles bring in chronically suck year after year?

I'm not buying any of it.  McNabb is a great player and if Andy surrounded him with talent that was equal to his, then we'd be talking about multiple Super Bowl wins for McNabb, not a single fleeting glimpse at one.