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ice grillin you · July 13, 2006, 03:52:40 PM

keep slurpin that free slurpy dook

but has he?

PoopyfaceMcGee · July 13, 2006, 04:00:43 PM

Quote from: mussa on July 13, 2006, 03:49:14 PM
yea really

I forgot about Dameane Douglas.

Magical_Retard · July 13, 2006, 04:03:49 PM

has anybody made those same set of WRs look good? b4 they were on the eagles or after they were on the eagles?

it not so clear cut as mcnabb has to make mediocre WRs look good...it goes both way....McNabb isnt great enough to make average WRs into good reliable WRs and the WRs we have were nowhere even near good or helped in thier own right. if the WRs cant beat bump and run and are getting bullied by the corners...there is lil McNabb can do.

ice grillin you · July 13, 2006, 04:16:21 PM

of course it goes both ways

but again: zero in seven years

Phanatic · July 13, 2006, 06:04:11 PM

Quote from: ice grillin you on July 13, 2006, 04:16:21 PM
of course it goes both ways

but again: zero in seven years

Yeah right McNabb has to make sure they run their routes, fight through the jam and catch the damn ball. Maybe he should make sure Pinky hits the gym this year...

I'm not buying what your selling. It is a false premise.

That's OK. It seems to have made for some sort of discussion in the Eagles section.

Phanatic · July 13, 2006, 06:17:14 PM

Just because I'm bored...

In the last seven years how many championships were won from the QB position....

1999 - St. Louis Rams
2000 - Baltimore Ravens
2001 - New England Patriots
2002 - Tampa Bay Buccaneers
2003 - New England Patriots
2004 - New England Patriots
2005 - Pittsburgh Steelers

I'd argue maybe 1999 because that offense was all about the pass but Kurt Warner had some serious tools around him.

Baltimore = Defense and Ball control
New England = Well balanced all team consistent performance.
Tampa Bay = Baltimore
Steelers = Luck in one of the ugliest SBs ever.

Lesson? If the coaching staff of the Eagles thinks they are going to win a SB from the QB position current trends say no!

PoopyfaceMcGee · July 13, 2006, 10:06:03 PM

Well, even if they're banking on the QB, it sure would be nice of them to give him some more help.

Phanatic · July 13, 2006, 11:55:27 PM

Quote from: FFatPatt on July 13, 2006, 10:06:03 PM
Well, even if they're banking on the QB, it sure would be nice of them to give him some more help.

I agree

sallad selgae · July 14, 2006, 10:27:26 AM

I think of all the retired quaterbacks that have won a Super Bowl, only one is not in the Hall of Fame. I'm not sure where this stands in this argument - just thought I'd put it out there.

Diomedes · July 14, 2006, 10:45:27 AM

Oh yeah? Got a list? I'd like to see that.

Wingspan · July 14, 2006, 11:35:40 AM

Quote from: sallad selgae on July 14, 2006, 10:27:26 AM
I think of all the retired quaterbacks that have won a Super Bowl, only one is not in the Hall of Fame. I'm not sure where this stands in this argument - just thought I'd put it out there.

it stands no where.

Jim McMahon
Doug Williams
Jeff Hostetler
Jim Plunkett
Mark Rypian
Phil Simms

Phanatic · July 14, 2006, 11:47:20 AM

Complete list of super bowl winning QBs

1.   Bart Starr
2.   Bart Star
3.   Joe Namath
4.   Len Dawson
5.   Johnny Unitas
6.   Roger Staubach
7.   Bob Griese
8.   Bob Griese
9.   Terry Bradshaw
10.   Terry Bradshaw
11.   Ken Stabler
12.   Roger Staubach
13.   Terry Bradshaw
14.   Terry Bradshaw
15.   Jim Plunkett
16.   Joe Montana
17.   Joe Theismann
18.   Jim Plunkett
19.   Joe Montana
20.   Jim McMahon
21.   Phil Simms
22.   Doug Williams
23.   Joe Montana
24.   Joe Montana
25.   Jeff Hostetler
26.   Mark Rypien
27.   Troy Aikman
28.   Troy Aikman
29.   Steve Young
30.   Troy Aikman
31.   Brett Favre
32.   John Elway
33.   John Elway
34.   Kurt Warner
35.   Trent Dilfer
36.   Tom Brady
37.   Brad Johnson
38.   Tom Brady
39.   Tom Brady
40.   Ben Rothlisberger

Historically speaking teams win with strong QBs. The last 7 years look a little different. If Trent f'ing Dilfer and Brad Johnson can get a ring DMac certainly can with the right personel.

SunMo · July 14, 2006, 11:49:44 AM

Quote from: Phanatic on July 14, 2006, 11:47:20 AM

Historically speaking teams win with strong QBs. The last 7 years look a little different. If Trent f'ing Dilfer and Brad Johnson can get a ring DMac certainly can with the right personel.

two little facts that you overlook, those were two of the best defences...ever. and, gasp, they RAN the ball.

mussa · July 14, 2006, 12:15:30 PM

Brad fargin Johnson.

Eagles 3x · July 14, 2006, 12:15:49 PM

Quote from: Phanatic on July 13, 2006, 06:17:14 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on July 13, 2006, 10:06:03 PM
Well, even if they're banking on the QB, it sure would be nice of them to give him some more help.

Lesson? If the coaching staff of the Eagles thinks they are going to win a SB from the QB position current trends say no!

Quote from: FFatPatt on July 13, 2006, 10:06:03 PM
Well, even if they're banking on the QB, it sure would be nice of them to give him some more help.

Quote from: SunMoTzu on July 14, 2006, 11:49:44 AM
Quote from: Phanatic on July 14, 2006, 11:47:20 AM

Historically speaking teams win with strong QBs. The last 7 years look a little different. If Trent f'ing Dilfer and Brad Johnson can get a ring DMac certainly can with the right personel.

two little facts that you overlook, those were two of the best defences...ever. and, gasp, they RAN the ball.

Exfreakingactly, how freaking basic can this be. No one player is taking a team to the SB. The QB needs a line that can protect and receivers that can catch. RB's need a line that opens holes. The offence needs the defence, the defence needs the offence. I am sick of the "McNabb has to step up for us to get in the playoffs" The whole team needs to step it up. That starts with Reid and goes to the last guy hanging on to a practice squad spot.