the random musings not worthy of new thread thread

[General_Failure]

Yes, but only when they're a fetus.

[Tomahawk]

I'm interested, after seeing the facts of these women's captivity, if found guilty would you be for or against the death penalty for the accused?

The facts are irrelevant.  A democratic state cannot undertake government-sponsored execution and still be a democracy.  There is literally no circumstance under which I would advocate or support the state executing criminals. 

Now, if you as an individual want to take it upon yourself to off a bad man, hey...that's between you and the law.  If the guy really was bad, I might not convict you if I was on the jury, and if I wasn't, I might send you a pack of cigarettes or something, but the law is the law and the law is what makes us civilized.  And by civilized in America, in this case, I mean, on a par with Saudi Arabia, the Sudan, and Texas. 

Yhay America.

I recently caught a show on PBS about the war on drugs. America, per capita, blows every other country in the world away in it's incarceration rate.

Just read this article after a quick google search:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/23/world/americas/23iht-23prison.12253738.html

It has 751 people in prison or jail for every 100,000 in population. (If you count only adults, one in 100 Americans is locked up.)

The only other major industrialized nation that even comes close is Russia, with 627 prisoners for every 100,000 people. The others have much lower rates. England's rate is 151; Germany's is 88; and Japan's is 63.

The median among all nations is about 125, roughly a sixth of the American rate.

[Munson]

I think we recently hit the 6 million prisoner milestone this week

[Sgt PSN]

#17 in education, #1 in incarceration. 

'Murica! 

[General_Failure]

The education for prisoners program isn't working, get more prisoners!

[Sgt PSN]

Actually, I'd say it's working just fine.  For example:



This guy is in prison for raping and killing a little girl named Katie.  Once other inmates found out, they tattooed him.  Notice the proper spelling and correct use of an apostrophe.  The centering is a bit off, but now I feel like I'm nitpicking. 

Link to story

[PhillyPhreak54]

That's outstanding.

Convict justice is something I support. Dudes who were locked up for that when I was working would go to the end of the earth to hide their case details.

On The Row it was hard to hide the details so they'd request PC or if they were in a lower custody level where group rec was offered they'd never come out of their cells.

[Sgt PSN]

Convict justice is something I support.

I don't support it, but I get it.  And for the most part, if prisoners want to rape, torture, kill each other....whatever.  They're in prison and if they do things to each other in there and it leads to them spending more time in prison rather than getting released, where they could rape, torture, or kill regular people, then it's an all-around win. 

[shorebird]

The real shame about the Cleveland women's kidnapping case is that no matter what happens to the accused, life in jail, or the death penalty, the two women had ten years of their lives not just taken away, but taken were they were pretty much tortured. If not all the time physically then most all the time mentally. Their best years never happened. And now, well, you gotta' wonder when the nightmares will stop for them. What about that poor little 6 year old?? Young kids are pretty resilient and hopefully if she is able now to lead a normal life she'll forget her first six years.

I can't wait to see what happens to that pos if he's locked up. One can only hope that the cons dealing out the justice in the big house will start with, not a tattoo, but a Brad Pitt/Inglorious bastiches shank carving on the forehead. That'd be a pretty good start.

[MDS]

im also for buying the island from castaway and throwing all the rapists there

basically...whats the most cost effective way to dispose of them. do that.

[Seabiscuit36]

im also for buying the island from castaway and throwing all the rapists there

basically...whats the most cost effective way to dispose of them. do that.

I'm 100% with MDS on this.  We need a new Australia. 

[rjs246]

And for the most part, if prisoners want to rape, torture, kill each other.... whatever.

I understand what you're saying here, and in the simplified worldview where all prisoners are criminals and deserve their sentences because they've done something unversally considered to be wrong, I would agree. But we live in a world where politicians make laws and fallible humans enforce them. Letting them all sort things out on the inside means that non-violent offenders and breakers of arbitrary laws are subjected to the same menace as rapists, murderers etc.

In theory convict justice, like the death penalty, is righteous. In practice its barbaric and arbitrary.

[Geowhizzer]

im also for buying the island from castaway and throwing all the rapists there

basically...whats the most cost effective way to dispose of them. do that.

I'm 100% with MDS on this.  We need a new Australia.

Done.

[Diomedes]

I understand what you're saying here, and in the simplified worldview where all prisoners are criminals and deserve their sentences because they've done something unversally considered to be wrong, I would agree. But we live in a world where politicians make laws and fallible humans enforce them. Letting them all sort things out on the inside means that non-violent offenders and breakers of arbitrary laws are subjected to the same menace as rapists, murderers etc.

In theory convict justice, like the death penalty, is righteous. In practice its barbaric and arbitrary.

Thanks for saving me the trouble to say as much.

Unfortunately, being civilized requires that we treat bad people better than they treat us, better than they deserve, and better than we want to treat them.  If you can't grasp that, you shouldn't have passed 8th grade civics.

[MDS]

take your holier than thou liberal passive aggressive koombayah bs and go blow donovan mcnabb

we have an overcrowded, ineffective criminal justice system mixed with unrepentant rapists and murders, people who have done heinous things that dont deserve to live in society, and completely rehabilitatable human beings.

shouldnt we have have an effective system for dealing with this people. perhaps having a special place for the jerry sanduskys and timothy mcveighs of the world and then having another place for pookie from around the way who got caught slinging? one deserves to be fixed, the other doesnt deserve to breathe.