players vs front office

[QB Eagles]

Combined stats for Westbrook and Dorsey from last year with Westbrook being 'the guy':
1222 yds rushing, 7 tds rushing, 795 td receiving, 6 tds receiving.

Westbrook might have an argument if he has 795 receiving TDs.

[rjs246]

Combined stats for Westbrook and Dorsey from last year with Westbrook being 'the guy':
1222 yds rushing, 7 tds rushing, 795 td receiving, 6 tds receiving.

Westbrook might have an argument if he has 795 receiving TDs.

Haha. Oops.

[mussa]

you can also argue that the addition of TO opened up the passing game even more, thus leading to less from the backs.  u can also argue that ritchie wasn't playing and a practice squad player was. 

[rjs246]

you can also argue that the addition of TO opened up the passing game even more, thus leading to less from the backs.  u can also argue that ritchie wasn't playing and a practice squad player was. 

While I agree that Ritchie would have improved Westbrook's numbers, I'm not sure he would have led to 400+ yards and 13 more TDs or even anywhere near those numbers. And yes, Josh Parry sucks.

[hunt]

the eagles' front office can do no wrong so this is a silly thread....actually, while we're at it, the eagles' players can do no wrong.  in the rare cases where the front office and a player do not agree, they're both right.

[mussa]

the eagles' front office can do no wrong so this is a silly thread....actually, while we're at it, the eagles' players can do no wrong.  in the rare cases where the front office and a player do not agree, they're both right.

[rjs246]

the eagles' front office can do no wrong so this is a silly thread....actually, while we're at it, the eagles' players can do no wrong.  in the rare cases where the front office and a player do not agree, they're both right.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

the eagles' front office can do no wrong so this is a silly thread....actually, while we're at it, the eagles' players can do no wrong.  in the rare cases where the front office and a player do not agree, they're both right.

This is not your best work, hunt.  Is fatherhood slowing down your wit?

[JTrotter Fan]

I luv me sum Joe Banner!

[PhillyGirl]

4.  Cutting loose Vincent and Taylor
This was the move that was supposed to basically cost the Eagles a shot at returning to the NFC Championship game.  Both players were hurt for much of the 2004 season, and while it looks like Vincent may get a chance to be a productive safety for the Bills, Taylor's fighting for a job as a nickel back.

BT was cut.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

And still no job?  Maybe he can replace Pinkston as the downfield wvss.

[Eagles_Legendz]

the eagles' front office can do no wrong so this is a silly thread....actually, while we're at it, the eagles' players can do no wrong.  in the rare cases where the front office and a player do not agree, they're both right.

Keep up the good work rjs.  Your efforts do not go unnoticed by me.   

[bobbyinlondon]

The FO's style of negotiation seems to be that they'll offer a player fair market value, and they'll leave it on the table for that season. If he doesn't take it, they then try to franchise them, or they draft their replacement.  All of these cases were well publicized. Examples:

In November 2000, BEFORE Trot was named to the Pro Bowl, the Eagles offered him a 6 year, 20M contract with a 4M SB. He and his agent turned it down. It was said that although he didn't want to at first, Reid went to Lurie and asked that they franchise him after the Rams loss in the first NFCCG. We all know how that turned out. Still, they tried for over 18 months to sign him.

In Simon's case, they offered him a deal similar to what McFarland got in Tampa. But Corey still thinks he's worth more than 34M and a 9M signing bonus. They franchised him this year and drafted Patterson to take his place.

In Westy 's case, I've seen Fletcher Smith say in the Inky where Westbrook isn't a 3rd down back. I've never read any of the FO refer to him as a 3rd down back. In fact, Reid said if he could stay healthy all year (this was at the coaches breakfast in Hawaii), he wouldn't mind giving Westbrook big money. But he's not an every down back. Just look what happened last year when he had almost 30 touches against Chicago. Even though they had a bye before they played the Panthers, he wasn't running with the same zest that he had before.

In Owens' case, well, there isn't any case. I don't know how many of you have read his book, but I took the occasion to read it while I was on vacation in Spain last week. On page 265, paragraph 3 and 266, para 1, he says the following:

"The press conference was supposed to start at five-thirty. David and Jason went upstairs to renegotiate the fine points of the bonus arrangement. After two hours of wrangling, the Eagles agreed to change three words to provide me with more financial protection. Those three words were the final hurdle."

"The NFL couldn't keep me in San Francisco or make me play for the Ravens. I was where I really wanted to be and for the money that I deserved after eight seasons in the league."


Now, in the whole 17 months that Owens has been with the Eagles, I never heard the press mention this or anyone else. He knew what he was getting before he signed and now he turns around and says it isn't a fair deal.

I haven't seen this FO ask a player to take a pay cut in February and then cut him in June to get under the salary cap like some teams--notably the Titans.

[PhillyGirl]

In Owens' case, well, there isn't any case. I don't know how many of you have read his book, but I took the occasion to read it while I was on vacation in Spain last week. On page 265, paragraph 3 and 266, para 1, he says the following:

"The press conference was supposed to start at five-thirty. David and Jason went upstairs to renegotiate the fine points of the bonus arrangement. After two hours of wrangling, the Eagles agreed to change three words to provide me with more financial comfort. Those three words were the final hurdle.

"The NFL couldn't keep me in San Francisco or make me play for the Ravens. I was where I really wanted to be and for the money that I deserved after eight seasons in the league."


Now, in the whole 17 months that Owens has been with the Eagles, I never heard the press mention this or anyone else. He knew what he was getting before he signed and now he turns around and says it isn't a fair deal.

I haven't seen this FO ask a player to take a pay cut in February and then cut him in June to get under the salary cap like some teams--notably the Titans.

I just read his book last weekend, too. And I remember that part distinctly. However, it gave me the impression that his agent didn't go into detail with him on it. Just said that they were working on changing some terminology. I dunno...just the impression I got.

[bobbyinlondon]

I wasn't sure either, until I re-read it, and then when he goes on to say he got the money he deserved. He definitely didn't think it was a low ball contract.  And I still haven't seen anyone who can tell most of us how Owens outperformed his deal. After all, he didn't establish any new career highs--his TDs and yardage were about his average and his catches were just below what he averaged in SF.