Eagles Fired Tom Gamble

[PhillyPhreak54]

http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/jeffrey-lurie-had-no-choice-put-chip-kelly-charge

[JackStraw]

The thing that may change his course may be that all the pundits were basically right about all the poor moves last year. Injuries offers some cover, but those and some game calls, may give him pause that "system" in NFL isn't infallible. Gamble collateral damage first fallout.

New guys hired into a business always want to impress new boss on their methods vs prior regime spending - "i can get it great and cheap". doesn't always work out and now he may realize if he wants big, nasty and good, he's gonna have to pay. "Dream Team" was laughable, sure, but chips almost in same position now - this little episode lost cost him any remaining mulligans - win a playoff or bust.

In business if you win, people forget what it cost. Lose and no one cares how much you saved...

I don't disagree with any of that and I hope its the case but the x factor might be the qb position...I can easily see chip saying the system would be fine with my qb...and he may be right about that....but he also may never get his guy at qb...so what happens until he does?

I think he makes solid-to-biggish moves to right the glaring mistakes, and he gets two years to find his QB. Probably tries to find one under a rock this year. If Foles busts not his fault and next draft/FA he'll push all the chips in. He will get creamed if he doesn't have a quality back-up this season, tho. Cant count on foles to stay upright even if playing lights out.

(fwiw I like Cook in '16 - too bad he didn't come out but get his reasoning to stay at M.St. another year. Mobile enough but also plays pocket pretty well. Low key. Nice comeback after boneheaded pick, too.)

[hbionic]

Howie is out of the decision making process where players are concerned.  I don't care if Choo-Choo the sign language translating chimpanzee is in charge... IT AIN'T HOWIE NO MORE.

Boom.

Probably my favorite post ever.

[ice grillin you]

Sources with knowledge of the situation have said that last May, Roseman's scouting staff was really ticked when the coaches were allowed to change a draft board that the scouts had set - part of the ongoing conflict that led to yesterday's restructuring.

[ice grillin you]

chip kelly when he was hired about 22 months ago....

"I've heard questions [indicating] that I want control over this, control over that," he said. "That has never been an issue, never is an issue for me. I'm a football coach. I'm not a general manager. I'm not a salary cap guy. I coach football. I need people who can go out there and say, 'Hey this is what you want. These are the people.' And it's going to be a collaboration. We're all going to be on the same page. I've got no delusions of saying that I want all these different titles. I just want to coach football."

[Rome]

Are you surprised that he changed his mind after working with the likes of Howie Roseman for two years?

Seriously??

[Diomedes]

So what?

[Diomedes]

Who says he changed his mind anyway?  Dude is going to hire a GM now, not be one.

[Rome]

I think he changed his mind about specifically working with Roseman, not necessarily anything else.   He came to the Eagles as a coach and he remains that, but if he's going to be on the hook for what happens on the field, he better be comfortable with the guys who are responsible for hiring the players he's going to be coaching.

[ice grillin you]

Are you surprised that he changed his mind after working with the likes of Howie Roseman for two years?

Seriously??

small sample sizes all around but howie has proven to be much better at player evaluation than chip....so I don't understand how you have chip on a PP pedestal when all hes done is get things wrong and howies last draft that he controlled was very good....that's not a defense of howie I just cant believe how many people are happy that a guy who was an OC at new hampshire less than ten years ago now is one of two guys in the nfl with complete control of a football organization

Who says he changed his mind anyway?  Dude is going to hire a GM now, not be one.

this is wrong....he will hire a GM in name only....chip has 100% control of PP

[Diomedes]

Just as Barry has total control over Justice Dept.....but neither has the time to make every call, so they get a guy.  Simple stuff.

[MDS]

I think he changed his mind about specifically working with Roseman, not necessarily anything else.   He came to the Eagles as a coach and he remains that, but if he's going to be on the hook for what happens on the field, he better be comfortable with the guys who are responsible for hiring the players he's going to be coaching.

you dont like roseman because hes a short nerdy jew...not because of anything specific he's down as a GM

there's no such thing as a roseman fan, but the vitriol toward him is completely unfounded.

[ice grillin you]

Just as Barry has total control over Justice Dept.....but neither has the time to make every call, so they get a guy.  Simple stuff.

I don't even get that analogy as it makes no sense and is not comparable in anyway but whatever

chip will have plenty of time to make every call and he will.....the question is will he have time to properly educate himself on those calls....a coach especially one as in depth as chip doesn't have nearly enough time to properly evaluate players....PP is a 12 month job and that's impossible to do when you are coaching 8-9 of those months

you saw what happened with lasts years draft when chip came in and basically blew up what the scouts had prepared all year and went with his guys....it was catastrophic...imo a gm should be picking players and a coach should be coaching them with of course some input in to the selection process....a coach can have a vision of what he wants and then the PP people should choose what they think is the best player to make that vision come into focus....but above and beyond all that what has chip ever done at this level to support him having ANY say in PP much less being the gm....the guys is a football coach lifer....x's and o's...that's what he does...maybe he ends up being the next ron wolf and my worst fears are not realized...but this is unprecedented in nfl history giving this amount of power to a guy with the nfl resume of chip kelly

[SunMo]

i was thinking about this earlier and what if laconfora's report about chip wanting out was true and about wanting to "rattle the cages" was his request for total control not expecting Lurie to grant it. 

[ice grillin you]

I think that very well may be true....me and straw talked earlier in the thread about this being a short term thing.....i said this...

I also agree with straw in that this could easily be a one year band aid...because Howie is still in the building the stench of this is going to always be hanging over everyone...also is chip really happy?....I mean he got what he wanted but the same person still owns the team and the same person who fired his boy gamble is still working for the team...it just doesn't seem like a great working environment...I be kinda surprised if chip is the coach of the team this time next year