Grade the Draft v. 2011

Started by DH, April 30, 2011, 07:04:11 PM

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TexasEagle

#30
May 03, 2011, 01:51:17 AM
Those write-ups are great to have in one spot since I know less about this years college players than ever before. I'm only knowledgeable on a hand full of the picks in the draft.

rjs246

#31
May 03, 2011, 10:26:16 AM
My grade for this draft is A+++ because I didn't waste a single second watching it and don't know any of the players they (or any other team) picked. The extra time I had this year thanks to not paying attention to the draft was much appreciated.

farg the owners.
Is rjs gonna have to choke a bitch?

Let them eat bootstraps.

Tomahawk

#32
May 03, 2011, 11:46:45 AM
For similar reasons, I give it an A+. The lower mark is because I still read the threads about who the Eagles picked

Eagaholic

#33
May 09, 2011, 07:00:57 PM
It was an odd draft in that it had a very different personality than Howie's last draft, moving all over the place to get 'value'. They stayed pat and still reached a bit. The best value they got was the trade with NE.

ice grillin you

#34
August 27, 2014, 02:58:40 PM
i can take a phrase thats rarely heard...flip it....now its a daily word

igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous

hbionic

#35
August 28, 2014, 02:47:15 AM
I said watch the game and you will see my spirit manifest.-ILLEAGLE 02/04/05

ice grillin you

#36
August 28, 2014, 07:10:22 AM
as disgusting as this?

Quote from: BigEd76 on April 30, 2011, 07:44:16 PM
B for now.  The lockout, lack of FA and a less-than-stellar talent pool meant I wasn't sitting there going "GET ___...GET _____... F***" every time the Eagles picked.  I'm OK with the Watkins and Jarrett picks because they'll contribute right away, I like the Matthews, Lewis, Lloyd and Havili picks for depth, and it'll be interesting to see if Henery gets the kicker job right away or gets stashed on IR.  Who knows how Marsh will turn out, and it seems a given they'll go after a CB in FA...
i can take a phrase thats rarely heard...flip it....now its a daily word

igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous

PhillyPhreak54

#38
August 28, 2014, 10:41:31 PM
 :-D

Don Ho

#39
August 29, 2014, 05:40:36 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2011, 10:12:35 PM
F

Holy shtein, that was an awful draft class.  The 47 year old Fireman, Jarrett, Matthews.  ugh.  Thank God for Kelce.
"Well where does Jack Lord live, or Don Ho?  That's got to be a nice neighborhood"  Jack Singer(Nicholas Cage) in Honeymoon in Vegas.

QB Eagles

#40
August 29, 2014, 07:57:12 PM
NFL-wide, almost every guard drafted in that class was a disaster, not just the fireman. Clint Boling on the Bengals is the only one I know of who is a starting caliber guard in the NFL today. But a lot of guys drafted as centers and tackles were shifted over to guard and have had really great careers.

Does anyone know what actually determines whether a player is drafted as C, G, or OT? It's always seemed random to me. Does it factor into their contract?

General_Failure

#41
August 29, 2014, 07:58:06 PM
Tackles are tall, guards are not, and centers are cool with hands on their taint.

The man. The myth. The legend.

PhillyPhreak54

#42
August 29, 2014, 08:11:21 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on August 29, 2014, 07:57:12 PM
NFL-wide, almost every guard drafted in that class was a disaster, not just the fireman. Clint Boling on the Bengals is the only one I know of who is a starting caliber guard in the NFL today. But a lot of guys drafted as centers and tackles were shifted over to guard and have had really great careers.

Does anyone know what actually determines whether a player is drafted as C, G, or OT? It's always seemed random to me. Does it factor into their contract?

What do you mean factor into the contract? Like is it written in there that is their position? Or does their pay reflect that position?

QB Eagles

#43
August 29, 2014, 08:33:32 PM
It's not unusual to see someone be a tackle all through college, and then a team drafts you as a guard (this happened to Watkins, I believe). Some of these guys end up being guards, some centers, some get put right back at tackle. Tackles typically get paid a lot more than guards and centers, at least in free agency.

So I guess what I'm asking is:
- Does the pay of different positions even factor into the draft, with whatever the current rookie salary rules are?
- Do teams have a financial incentive to draft players into particular O-line positions? Once they are on the team, sometimes it takes time to find the right spot for them on the line. You could ask the same question about any tweener prospect, too.

I'm trying to find a reason why so few good players have been drafted as guards over the past 5 or so years. It seems like only elite prospects like Mike Iupati and Kyle Long have found any success at all after being drafted as a guard, and unlike Watkins they played the position in college.

PhillyPhreak54

#44
August 29, 2014, 10:16:56 PM
Most of the time the guards are the least athletic of the OL. You want tall OT's with long arms and you want a shorter C with the brains to make all the calls. Bonus points if he is athletic enough to pull and move down the field like Kelce.

So that leaves the OGs. Not brainy enough to play C, too short or with too short arms to play OT, carry extra weight compared to the other two spots. They're the fat bodies of the OL for the most part.

Shawn Andrews was moved to OG as was Jermane Mayberry. Both struggled at NFL tackle.

Warmack could be good...this is a big year for him. And Cooper needs to show something in ARZ too.

The financials don't come into play until after the rookie deals now because of the slotting although it really didn't factor in much before that either.

If they draft a guy as an OT he's getting his slot pay...and if he's kicked inside and excels then he will be paid with the OG market.
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