Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[Seabiscuit36]

teaching union, really?  that's your defense?  maybe when the mighty union agrees to address the issue of tenured teachers who don't give a shtein anymore being able to be fired we can have a legitimate discussion about the teaching union.  one of the biggest jokes in the country

This "problem" is incredibly overblown. 46% of teachers leave the profession within the first 5 years....that takes out most of the teachers that don't care and don't like what they're doing and thus do a bad job...the ones that slip through the cracks and actually last long enough to become a drain are far outweighed by the better teachers. Unfortunately, that high turnover/burnout rate also claims a lot of good/potentially good ones.

Edit-But I can and will readily admit that teacher unions waste money. It's just overblown how many truly "bad" teachers that are "just collecting a paycheck" and not educating the children make it very far into tenure. They get sick of the job and quit.

I'm 18 years in, and 3rd highest seniority in my school.  And I have a great school for teachers - it's just much more stressful job than many people realize.  I've even beginning to wonder about my future in teaching.

For me, the biggest part of being in the union is protection.  Teachers often get accused of a lot of stupid things (not saying that some teachers don't do stupid things), and the union offers protection is you are called into the principal's office for disciplinary action. 

The union also helps keep us abreast on movements in the state legislature for different bills affecting teachers and education, and works the political end on our behalf.

My wife had a problem with a student's family a few years back.  The Union stepped in where the school couldn't.  Ultimately she was fine, and the student's family was proved to be be unstable, but the union did what she pays them to do.  That said, i've always hated unions based on my interactions working on union jobs as a non union worker.  Guys were iceholes, did half the work for 3x the pay, and took 6x as long to get shtein done. 

[Munson]

teaching union, really?  that's your defense?  maybe when the mighty union agrees to address the issue of tenured teachers who don't give a shtein anymore being able to be fired we can have a legitimate discussion about the teaching union.  one of the biggest jokes in the country

This "problem" is incredibly overblown. 46% of teachers leave the profession within the first 5 years....that takes out most of the teachers that don't care and don't like what they're doing and thus do a bad job...the ones that slip through the cracks and actually last long enough to become a drain are far outweighed by the better teachers. Unfortunately, that high turnover/burnout rate also claims a lot of good/potentially good ones.

Edit-But I can and will readily admit that teacher unions waste money. It's just overblown how many truly "bad" teachers that are "just collecting a paycheck" and not educating the children make it very far into tenure. They get sick of the job and quit.

I'm 18 years in, and 3rd highest seniority in my school.  And I have a great school for teachers - it's just much more stressful job than many people realize.  I've even beginning to wonder about my future in teaching.

For me, the biggest part of being in the union is protection.  Teachers often get accused of a lot of stupid things (not saying that some teachers don't do stupid things), and the union offers protection is you are called into the principal's office for disciplinary action. 

The union also helps keep us abreast on movements in the state legislature for different bills affecting teachers and education, and works the political end on our behalf.

I had first graders today and I think i'd actually pay money to see the conservative iceholes that like to tell me how easy teaching is to deal with a class full of 6 and 7 year olds 5 days a week. They really think it's as simple as going in and yelling at them. Granted I'm a sub so I don't have the same control over the class just because I'm not their teacher...but by the end of the day I was drained because it's a handful trying to get 20-25 kids that young to do work and get as many of them as you can to actually understand what they're doing. And this was in a good, well funded district. It's a thousand times harder in the poorer schools with crappier supplies and support systems and classes that can reach the 30-35 range.

Like I said I can definitely see that teachers unions are not perfect, they do protect some teachers that don't deserve it. But the GOP has done a really really good job of making that problem out to be so much bigger than it is in reality. They know their base sees it as an easy job, so they don't believe that most of the bad ones who don't wanna do it end up burning out so early in their careers.

I always hear the stories about "This one teacher" from those whackjobs...and all I can think is yeah..that one teacher...in a school full of what? 30? 50? 70? teachers. I had many teachers from K-12, and I can only think of one that was even remotely close to "mailing it in"...he was my 7th grade Science teacher and he retired the next year. Pretty old dude, I would say probably mid 60's, and he really didn't do that bad of a job his last year with ys..you could just tell he was done putting up with 13 year olds crap.

[Sgt PSN]

Munson + Kids + Rape Basement.  This is heading straight for the "what the farg is wrong with this world?" thread. 

Hide yo kids, hide yo wife.  And hide yo husbands cause they rapin' errybody out hurr. 

[PhillyPhreak54]

Munson + HS girls + his guitar + rape basement = face time in the Inky

[Sgt PSN]

And his mom's in the butcher's union, so he probably has access to all types of industrial size meat grinders and shtein.  Probably tossing kids corpses in there when he's done. 

[PhillyPhreak54]

lol

"honey why does this pounda beef ya brought home have this Abercrombie tshirt bit mixed in?"

[Munson]

http://youtu.be/6Wf-mRo7C2I

[ice grillin you]

a lot of states are fighting obamacare....maryland is one thats embracing it....the free state fighting hard for the title of most liberal in the country

http://marylandhbe.com/

[SD]

Boehner agrees to tax rates for the rich: http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/15/politics/fiscal-cliff/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

[Rome]

Rick Scott is fighting Obamacare here in Florida like his future depends on it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/13/obamacare-florida_n_2295076.html

What a despicable little rodent.

[ice grillin you]

What a despicable little rodent.

lol

you sound just like my girls mother and boyfriend......they despise scott soooooooo much

[ice grillin you]

http://www.freep.com/article/20121216/NEWS15/312160307/Top-Republican-official-Ron-Weiser-s-comments-about-Detroit-on-videotape-are-causing-a-stir?odyssey=tab|mostpopular|text|FEATURES07

[Rome]

"Those people."

Hmmm...

[Munson]

Cory Booker announced he's exploring a Senate run in 2014. Love that guy, kinda wanted to see him and Christie go at it for Gov, but Booker's attitude and ideas are needed in the shteinhole Senate.

[Diomedes]

Did not read link, do not have time for crap like this anymore.

As I understood it, Booker runs for Senate as a plan B because it appears Christie will run again and Booker (rightly) wants no part of running against him for Governor.