Jason Babin, Philadelphia Eagle

reese125 · December 28, 2011, 03:43:31 PM

Owned.

ice grillin you · December 28, 2011, 03:45:27 PM

lol at still saying owned

you got me brohan

internet win for reecie!

hbionic · December 28, 2011, 03:49:53 PM

It's almost the end of 2011...you guys have to add up you internet wins to avoid relegation to the EMB.

ice grillin you · December 28, 2011, 03:51:06 PM

im down A LOT

PoopyfaceMcGee · December 28, 2011, 06:29:47 PM

Massive inroads coming soon?

ice grillin you · December 28, 2011, 06:41:02 PM

in the next fifteen minutes

shorebird · December 28, 2011, 11:06:04 PM

Quote from: ice grillin you on December 28, 2011, 03:02:12 PM
sacks are one of the most overrated stats in the game....

It's comments like this that make you lose all credibility.

MDS · December 29, 2011, 01:02:25 AM

coming for someone who grew up during a time when they didnt even count sacks its interesting you feel that way.

and im not riding for havas THIS TIME, but sacks can be very misleading. yea sure demarcus ware has a ton of sacks because hes good. amazing coincidence. but theres more to it than "oh he had 15 sacks he must be good."

General_Failure · December 29, 2011, 03:13:18 AM

All stats can be misleading. Trotter had a lot of tackles. Asante sometimes picks off the ball. Babin gets a zesty new tribal armband every time he gets a sack. The one thing they all have in common is none of them have won a god damned thing in Philly.

shorebird · December 29, 2011, 06:56:07 AM

The two biggest things a defense goes for are turnovers and sacks. Sure, the stat can be misleading, but one of the most overrated stats in the game?? Thats crazy. It can be devastating to an offense. It leads to a bigger loss of yardage than any other play unless the offense gets penalized. It can lead to turnovers, injuries, and takes an offense out of it's game. If a qb is lining up and knows that a DE is coming and they better be ready, then they're thinking about him and not the play.

Quote from: MDS on December 29, 2011, 01:02:25 AM
coming for someone who grew up during a time when they didnt even count sacks its interesting you feel that way.

The NFL started keeping the stat in '63'. I was two years old. Neither one of you two have a farging clue what your talking about.

ice grillin you · December 29, 2011, 07:14:36 AM

first of all i said sacks are overrated not meaningless...secondly i never said babins sacks were meaningless...i said the his utter lack of not just not producing in other aspects of the game but actually getting straight up exposed off sets any good his sacks do

maybe i can put this in a language you can understand better rather than explain the intricacies of the game

trent cole and his 10 sacks had a much better year than babin and his 18 sacks...does that make better sense?

Eagaholic · December 29, 2011, 07:16:37 AM

In the NFL about 22 percent of offensive drives end in points. If there is a sack the number drops to about 7 percent. That's important. It's not just a tackle for loss but also big in getting the D fired up and changing momentum, as well as being a marker for pressures, knockdowns etc. that can lead to turnovers. Babin also leads the team in pressures.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/moving_the_chains/Washburn-effect-Castillo-calls-on-the-blitz122311.html

Rome · December 29, 2011, 07:22:25 AM

Sacks are critically important. Downplaying their importance is just arguing for argument's sake.

ice grillin you · December 29, 2011, 07:33:56 AM

so is tackling people

its funny i dont recall a single babin sack winning a game but i do recall two games specifically...seattle and san fran...where the opponent absolutely murdered him by running to his side and throwing screens in his vacated area that he left to run ten yards up the field on EVERY play

SD · December 29, 2011, 07:43:22 AM

Quote from: ice grillin you on December 29, 2011, 07:33:56 AM
so is tackling people

its funny i dont recall a single babin sack winning a game but i do recall two games specifically...seattle and san fran...where the opponent absolutely murdered him by running to his side and throwing screens in his vacated area that he left to run ten yards up the field on EVERY play

I'm not taking a side on this argument because I think both sides make a good point, but he sacked Eli and stripped the ball to essentially win the game vs. the Giants. Probably the biggest moment in the biggest game of the season.

I was against the Babin signing, and I do see igy's point of view...but if you would have told me he would compile 18 sacks this season and several strips I would have called bullshtein. He does sell out at times and he is a liability against the run but his ability to get to the QB is a critical aspect that should not be overlooked.