Jason Babin, Philadelphia Eagle

[ice grillin you]

If he were black the hippos would luv them sum Babin. 

not really....i love jared allen

babin is the perfect example of the massive gap btwn people who know football and dont...and in that sense you really need players like him as a way of weeding out those who dont...and i dont mean on this board because we already know who are the haves and have nots but just in general

anyone can watch a game or read a website and see a "sack"...but its harder to see all the 3rd and 6 runs that went for first downs because he refuses to ever stay at home and not run up the field and out of the play....or the 2nd and twos that were set up by a eight yard run right at babin on first down

atl set the blueprint in game two on how to attack the eagles and ran right by babin continously in that game...and then after that the stretch of games where they just got gashed in the run game put them in a hole where they couldnt get out....and lets not even talk about the seattle game which for all intents and purposes ended the season

he definitely wasnt alone...casey matthews was playing for a while...the linebackers suck....the tackles are small....they have no run stopping safetys ect...so by no means am i exclusively blaming babin...and he deserves credit for getting a lot of sacks...but babin turned up his nose at even the thought of taking on a tackle in the run game or holding an edge...his effort in those areas was inexcusably bad and because of this anyone that believes that he had a great year or isnt as much of a detriment as a plus just doesnt know the game

Pro. Bowl. lol

he had to make it because of numbers....whats important to remember is so did eli manning

the real travesty will be if he makes the all pro team...because generally sport specific writers are better at this kind of thing than fans and the all pro team is the only all star team that matters

[Drunkmasterflex]

I don't disagree that Babin was out of position a lot of the time. However.....he improved on that as the season progressed.

With the way the NFL is today getting to the QB is extremely important.

You can say what you want but 18 sacks is 18 sacks. If they had stud LBs and safeties we wouldn't even be having this conversation

Stop acting like the smartest guy in the room Joe Banner! 

[Seabiscuit36]

JPP made the Probowl, thanks to coaches

[ice grillin you]

I don't disagree that Babin was out of position a lot of the time. However.....he improved on that as the season progressed.

his worst game of the year was in seattle three weeks ago

babin is basically a much worse version of assante...a guy that makes plays but who is incredibly overrated and doesnt care about anything but his sack (ints in assantes case) numbers...at least assantes big plays are in the form of a turnover

a telling indication of babins worth is that he had 18 sacks but was rarely ever double teamed...it was like offenses would give him a taste of the qb as long as it kept him running up the field and out of every single non passing play

[Drunkmasterflex]

My point is that while I don't totally disagree with you, there were far bigger problems on defense than Babin.

As far as the Seattle game you could make the argument that it was most players on defenses worst game of the season.

[ice grillin you]

oh clearly....the middle of the defense is far worse than babin...but people already know this

[Rome]

I really love his tattoos.  They make him much sexier than he would be otherwise.

[Sgt PSN]

With the way the NFL is today getting to the QB is extremely important.

You can say what you want but 18 sacks is 18 sacks. If they had stud LBs and safeties we wouldn't even be having this conversation

This is absolutely on point.  Better LB and safeties and this conversation doesn't happen.  The Lions run the wide 9 but are more successful because they actually have linebackers who can fill the gaps left open by the pass rushing de's.  Is Babin an all world player?  No.  But he's a damn good pass rusher and that's all he was signed for. 

[ice grillin you]

jesus no thats not all he was signed for....the babin fan club completely made that up as a way to defend their hero

also this notion that the wide nine requires you to not tackle anyone but the qb or completely ignore all duties except running up the field to get the qb is so wrong

if all he was supposed to do is run 100 miles up the field on every play then hed only be in the game on 3rd and long downs

trent cole plays in the wide nine and does fine against the run....should babin be expected to excel in that area...of course not...but the guy doesnt even attempt to do it because he thinks all that matters is his sack numbers even tho his play in other areas is losing games for the team

[Rome]

He's not farging Reggie White.

Get over it.

[reese125]

Somebody clearly doesn't know what sacks do to change the course of the game.

If Babin had 2 sacks on the year he's be crying for the Eagles to get a new DE that could do so. How you can explicitly blame Jason Babin for the eagles struggles on defense is beyond me. Matter of fact this is one of the most horrendous arguments I've ever seen. Def coordinators would suck dick to get a DE who can get that kind of pressure on a qb.

[General_Failure]

He's not farging Reggie White.

Get over it.

He might be a religious racist, we don't know.

[ice grillin you]

Somebody clearly doesn't know what sacks do to change the course of the game.

If Babin had 2 sacks on the year he's be crying for the Eagles to get a new DE that could do so. How you can explicitly blame Jason Babin for the eagles struggles on defense is beyond me.

dopes like this guy are why i rail against babin...sacks are one of the most overrated stats in the game...they depend so much on when in terms of score and point of game that they happen its not even funny...i would say unless they cause a turnover or happen on a huge third down late in the game sacks mean little...which is why the dozens and dozens of gashing runs babin gave up outweight his sacks

Def coordinators would suck dick to get a DE who can get that kind of pressure on a qb.

omg you are my babin fan club protoype....not only do you have no idea what a sack truly means you brought up the word pressure...a pressure is actually worth more than a sack because a pressure happens in a short period of time...where as a lot of sacks happen after a play breaks down because the secondary maned up or the qb couldnt make a read....

babin gets zero pressures...hes either tackling the qb hes invisible or hes coming mamula style around a deep ass edge and eventually zeroing in on the qb...did he merk his tackle a couple times this year?...definitely but those were few and far between...and as mentioned before no one in weekly meetings is sayign watch out for jason babin...they are saying jason babin does this...take advantage of it

which brings us back to the tons of runs and screens at his side of the ball where he abandons his post and gives up massive chunks of yardage

[reese125]

Sacks are the most overrated stats in the game? LOL. Yeah because every DE in the league has 15 of them.  You might be thinking tackles are the most overrated buddy. 

You can waste another 7 paragraphs on you're corny ass argument  that Babin blows so bad and is the reason for the problems on defense all you want. It won't change the fact that you're wrong. He's doing his job. Does he over pursue sometimes or get stood up-sure-but find me a DE that doesnt. It's not the reason the eagles d sucks by a long shot.

And if you go back and see what I said about him months ago you will clearly see that I am far from a fan boy....I just can't stand when people like you talk out of their ass of how he sucks so bad....but you're right...he got all those sacks because the eagles incredible d manned up the receivers and the plays broke down. Yep no pressure at all.

Its so hard to even come on this board anymore because narcissistic depressed know it all freaks like yourself make it impossible to have a rational conversation.

[ice grillin you]

your entire argument depends on saying that i said that babin is to be blamed for the entire season

which i never said

you are typical boring and like 90% of the population of sports fans....go away you dumb farg....i dont have time for you people