Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[Rome]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/18/rep-ryan-accuses-obama-waging-class-warfare-with-millionaire-tax-plan/

CLASS WARFARE!



Funny thing is the dumbasses who vote for these clowns who aren't millionaires will gobble this shtein up with a spoon.  Voting against your own interests is such a quintessentially American pastime.

[SD]

But Ryan said the millionaire tax provision will undermine economic growth.

"If you tax something more, you get less of it," Ryan said. "If you tax job creators more, you get less job creation. If you tax their investment more, you get less investment."

Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell, speaking on NBC's "Meet the Press," also expressed concern that the increase would stifle the economy.

The idea behind the Obama proposal is to make sure those making more than $1 million a year pay at least the same rate as middle-income taxpayers -- Obama will call it the "Buffett Rule," after billionaire Warren Buffett who complained that the wealthy are sometimes effectively taxed at a lower rate than others. That's because investment income is taxed at a lower rate than ordinary income.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/18/rep-ryan-accuses-obama-waging-class-warfare-with-millionaire-tax-plan/#ixzz1YJeqRHMF

lol at the first line. "Job Creators". The economy has tanked under the Bush tax cuts. If the 'Job Creators' aren't going to actually create jobs then they should be taxed at a higher rate. You can't horde all of the money, ship jobs over seas,  then expect the middle class to buy your shtein and pay the same or a higher tax rate. It doesn't work that way. The country needs to heavily invest in the middle class. It just baffles the mind that people who are middle class or low income still vote Republican.

The 'Buffett Rule' is awesome and it's great that Obama can attach this plan to the richest of the rich.

[SD]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/mar/01/us-taxation-public-finance

How do the rich justify and excuse this record? They claim that they can invest the money they save from taxes and thereby create jobs, etc. But do they? In fact, cutting rich people's taxes is often very bad for the rest of us (beyond the worsening inequality and hobbled government it produces).

Several examples show this. First, a good part of the money the rich save from taxes is then lent by them to the government (in the form of buying US Treasury securities for their personal investment portfolios). It would obviously be better for the government to tax the rich to maintain its expenditures, and thereby avoid deficits and debts. Then the government would not need to tax the rest of us to pay interest on those debts to the rich.

Second, the richest Americans take the money they save from taxes and invest big parts of it in China, India and elsewhere. That often produces more jobs over there, fewer jobs here, and more imports of goods produced abroad. US dollars flow out to pay for those imports and so accumulate in the hands of foreign banks and foreign governments. They, in turn, lend from that wealth to the US government because it does not tax our rich, and so we get taxed to pay for the interest Washington has to give those foreign banks and governments. The largest single recipient of such interest payments today is the People's Republic of China.

Third, the richest Americans take the money they don't pay in taxes and invest it in hedge funds and with stockbrokers to make profitable investments. These days, that often means speculating in oil and food, which drives up their prices, undermines economic recovery for the mass of Americans, and produces acute suffering around the globe. Those hedge funds and brokers likewise use part of the money rich people save from taxes to speculate in the US stock markets. That has recently driven stock prices higher: hence, the stock market recovery. And that mostly helps – you guessed it – the richest Americans who own most of the stocks.

[rjs246]

The class warfare thing makes me so angry. How is it warfare to insist that the richest .3% of the country pay the same rate on their investment earnings that the rest of us pay on our earnings? What logical reason could there be to tax investment earnings at a lower rate?

At what point does some sort of armed rebellion of the impoverished masses actually become a real possibility? Some how the Republican party has co-opted a large segment of the poorest people in the country so I guess the poor actually banding together is unlikely, but don't these people see? Are they so willfully ignorant that they don't recognize a system that has been rigged for the wealthiest people to become more and more wealthy? To gain more and more influence and power? Red and Blue should have nothing to do with it. It should be the haves versus the have nots.

[Rome]

If America wasn't populated by fat, lazy, disinterested, science-hating, pablum-eating mongrels, I'd say a legitimate armed resistance might take root.  As it is people are so ignorant they actually take it in the ass from those bastiches with a smile and a thank you.

What's amazing to me is we have politicians running state legislatures and the U.S. Congress who ran on anti-government platforms.  Why would someone who claims to loathe government choose to participate in it?

[Sgt PSN]

If America wasn't populated by fat, lazy, disinterested, science-hating, pablum-eating mongrels, I'd say a legitimate armed resistance might take root.  As it is people are so ignorant they actually take it in the ass from those bastiches with a smile and a thank you.

This.  The poor are drinking the kool aid and while the middle class probably knows better, they're too self absorbed with the suburbia rat race and trying to maintain the little bit of comfort they have in life to get involved in any type of political revolution.  They see their numbers dwindling as friends and neighbors lose their jobs and homes but figure it will never happen to them, as if their cubicle is some sort of sanctuary that will go unmolested. 

[SunMo]

here's a fun story about the trampling of our rights as Americans:

I was playing golf yesterday with my father-in-law and his friend.  His friend was playing at a course in Delaware that Biden is a member of and will occasionally jump on.  When the VP plays, the protocol is that secret service shuts down the hole in front and in back of the whole that he's playing.  The guy telling the story was part of a foursome that was playing right behind another foursome of their friends.  When Biden jumped on the course, they basically split the two foursomes up so he could play.  One group two holes in front, the other two holes back.  At one point, when they didn't know what was going on, the guy texts his buddy in the front group and says "I hope this bozo hurries up."  They keep playing and after the 9th hole, as they go to the turn, a secret service guy slides up next to the guy and says, "He may be a bozo, but he's still your Vice President"

[Rome]

I'm not even gonna ask how they knew the content of the text.

[PhillyPhreak54]

Wow.

Has to be some sort of CIA type text interceptor that they use to make sure no one is coordinating something.

But damn...so much for privacy

[General_Failure]

Wow.

Has to be some sort of CIA type text interceptor that they use to make sure no one is coordinating something.

But damn...so much for privacy

Or a guy with an antenna from Radio Shack. SMS is about as secure as yelling loudly.

[Sgt PSN]

While I detest the gov't monitoring emails, phone calls, etc, I will say that in a case like this where the VP is out in public, I don't have a major problem with monitoring local communications like that.  What's the definition of "local communications?"  Who knows.  I'd say anything within like 500-1000 yards.  Is that the radius the SS uses?  Probably not.  But yeah, let's debate over this for 4 days.   

Either way, I bet dude shtein his pants when the SS approached him. 

[Munson]

here's a fun story about the trampling of our rights as Americans:

I was playing golf yesterday with my father-in-law and his friend.  His friend was playing at a course in Delaware that Biden is a member of and will occasionally jump on.  When the VP plays, the protocol is that secret service shuts down the hole in front and in back of the whole that he's playing.  The guy telling the story was part of a foursome that was playing right behind another foursome of their friends.  When Biden jumped on the course, they basically split the two foursomes up so he could play.  One group two holes in front, the other two holes back.  At one point, when they didn't know what was going on, the guy texts his buddy in the front group and says "I hope this bozo hurries up."  They keep playing and after the 9th hole, as they go to the turn, a secret service guy slides up next to the guy and says, "He may be a bozo, but he's still your Vice President"

I work at that golf course, Brandywine Country Club. He was just there a few weeks ago, I got to meet him and shake his hand and get a photo and such. He seemed nice enough. Though it was possible he was at Wilmington Country Club, but I think that is members only, so no guests allowed. Your friends' friend would have had to be a member to get out there.

They have like 6 golf carts worth of Secret Service go out with him, it's pretty crazy.


That's crazy though. I sent out a text saying I got to meet the vice president, I wonder how many of those they got to see that day.

[Munson]

While I detest the gov't monitoring emails, phone calls, etc, I will say that in a case like this where the VP is out in public, I don't have a major problem with monitoring local communications like that.  What's the definition of "local communications?"  Who knows.  I'd say anything within like 500-1000 yards.  Is that the radius the SS uses?  Probably not.  But yeah, let's debate over this for 4 days.   

Either way, I bet dude shtein his pants when the SS approached him.

It'd be even scarier if they were packing what was most likely in those zip up suitcases in the basket of the golf carts.

[PhillyPhreak54]

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/J-Roll-I-want-to-pay-higher-taxes.html

In an interview in the October issue of Philadelphia magazine, Rollins says it's time for rich people like him to start paying more. "Warren Buffet pays less taxes percentage-wise than his secretary, you catch that?" Rollins asks. "How can that be?"

"I'm blessed to pay a lot in taxes, " Rollins says. "I have friends and relatives that go day-to-day. Every American deserves to feel secure at the end of their life. So if it's going to lift two families up, go 'head, tax me more, I can handle it. Best I know, everyone's going to die. No one's taking money to the afterlife."

Only solidifies my JRoll man love even more.

take note of the comments section too...one icehole spells Halladay's name "HALIDAY" while criticizing JImmy

[Sgt PSN]

He misspelled it?!?!  icehole indeed.  Death should knock on his door for that!