Around the NFL - 2011

[MDS]

SD has to be a lock, right? they wont even have to have a market change...LA is considered part of the chargers market, meaning if SD doesnt sell out LA cant see the game either.

jacksonville got 2 mnf games this year to help ticket sales. that owner may have enough pull to stop the move and make the rams go back. in those 2 instances you wouldnt even have to change divisions.

[Sgt PSN]

That's a pretty good point about changing divisions....never even thought of that.  Rams and Bolts both play in the west.  Interesting. 

[ice grillin you]

divisons mean little in the nfl where there is only one game a week...of course theyd prefer to be geographically sensible but it would have little bearing on a move...95% of this is big picture which team moving makes the most sense monotarily

[Sgt PSN]

Oh, most definitely.  It's all about the benjamins and if Jax ended up being the best deal financially, they'll be the ones to move and the league will sort out the division alignments later.  But it's still something worth noting and talking about for at least 5 more pages. 

[MDS]

also because of tv deals they cant have two teams in the afc be in the same market

notice how dc/bal, sf/oak, ny/ny are in separate conferences? yea. not saying they cant take the jags and chargers and move them to LA but then the jags would have to move to the nfc west and the rams would have to go to the afc south. i mean no one would care but that would have to happen.

[Sgt PSN]

also because of tv deals they cant have two teams in the afc be in the same market

notice how dc/bal, sf/oak, ny/ny are in separate conferences? yea. not saying they cant take the jags and chargers and move them to LA but then the jags would have to move to the nfc west and the rams would have to go to the afc south. i mean no one would care but that would have to happen.

LA and SD are separated by about 100 miles and are their own independent markets.  The examples you used are much closer together.  Maybe it's a different set up with baseball, but the Padres and Dodger both play in the same division and there's no problem at all with the networks.  For example:  Fox could broadcast a Padres game in SD and a Dodgers game in LA at the same time.  Obviously if you lived in say SF/Oak they would both share the same Fox affiliate and couldn't broadcast Giants/A's at the same time.  Which is probably why they are in seperate leagues as well. 

[lurking wierdo]

also because of tv deals they cant have two teams in the afc be in the same market

notice how dc/bal, sf/oak, ny/ny are in separate conferences? yea. not saying they cant take the jags and chargers and move them to LA but then the jags would have to move to the nfc west and the rams would have to go to the afc south. i mean no one would care but that would have to happen.

LA and SD are separated by about 100 miles and are their own independent markets.  The examples you used are much closer together.  Maybe it's a different set up with baseball, but the Padres and Dodger both play in the same division and there's no problem at all with the networks.  For example:  Fox could broadcast a Padres game in SD and a Dodgers game in LA at the same time.  Obviously if you lived in say SF/Oak they would both share the same Fox affiliate and couldn't broadcast Giants/A's at the same time.  Which is probably why they are in seperate leagues as well. 

Yeah, Washington is closer to Philly then SD is to LA. Flawed logic, or a failure to check facts? Either way the sign of a childish, inferior mind.

[MDS]

its tv nerd stuff but if you are in the home market (i.e LA) and that team has a home game, no other game can be shown at the same time. also if they were in the same conferences 14 of the 16 games of each team would belong to the same tv network. so you see how difficult it becomes since LA cant host a 100 est game and would be playing in a west coast division.

unless a million things are moved around to accommodate this it would be next to impossible to work. just trust me on this. football has an entirely different tv setup because they dont have regional sports networks, they just have market penetration. 

[Sgt PSN]

I get what you're saying, but SD and LA are independent TV markets, where SF/Oak, NY/NY or DC/Bal are paired in the same market.  ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox in SD are channels 1, 2, 3, 4.  But in LA they might be channels 5, 6, 7, 8.  SF/Oak share the same affiliates though.  So ABC, NBC, CBS and Fox in Oak will be the same channels in SF.  Same goes for NY/NY and I believe for Bal/DC.....not positive on that one though.  Havas would definitely know better on that front. 

[ice grillin you]

I get what you're saying, but SD and LA are independent TV markets, where SF/Oak, NY/NY or DC/Bal are paired in the same market.  ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox in SD are channels 1, 2, 3, 4.  But in LA they might be channels 5, 6, 7, 8.  SF/Oak share the same affiliates though.  So ABC, NBC, CBS and Fox in Oak will be the same channels in SF.  Same goes for NY/NY and I believe for Bal/DC.....not positive on that one though.  Havas would definitely know better on that front.

dc and balt are seperate markets

[MDS]

I get what you're saying, but SD and LA are independent TV markets, where SF/Oak, NY/NY or DC/Bal are paired in the same market.  ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox in SD are channels 1, 2, 3, 4.  But in LA they might be channels 5, 6, 7, 8.  SF/Oak share the same affiliates though.  So ABC, NBC, CBS and Fox in Oak will be the same channels in SF.  Same goes for NY/NY and I believe for Bal/DC.....not positive on that one though.  Havas would definitely know better on that front.

yea..but it wouldnt matter. if the chargers move to LA, SD still gets the games. if LA gets 2 teams and the chargers stay in SD then SD still gets the chargers and LA gets its teams.

what im saying is LA itself cant have 2 teams in the same conference.

[Rome]

As long as Wayne Weaver owns the Jaguars they're not leaving Jacksonville.  I don't care how bad it gets financially.  They're not leaving.

Now, if he sells or dies, then yeah, I can see it, but until then... nope.

[Geowhizzer]

also because of tv deals they cant have two teams in the afc be in the same market

notice how dc/bal, sf/oak, ny/ny are in separate conferences? yea. not saying they cant take the jags and chargers and move them to LA but then the jags would have to move to the nfc west and the rams would have to go to the afc south. i mean no one would care but that would have to happen.

LA and SD are separated by about 100 miles and are their own independent markets.  The examples you used are much closer together.  Maybe it's a different set up with baseball, but the Padres and Dodger both play in the same division and there's no problem at all with the networks.  For example:  Fox could broadcast a Padres game in SD and a Dodgers game in LA at the same time.  Obviously if you lived in say SF/Oak they would both share the same Fox affiliate and couldn't broadcast Giants/A's at the same time.  Which is probably why they are in seperate leagues as well.

Not that it affects your overall point, but the Giants and A's were in seperate leagues long before either team moved to the Bay Area.

[Sgt PSN]

what im saying is LA itself cant have 2 teams in the same conference.

That's not even being discussed as a possibility as far as I know. 

[MDS]

well chargers and jaguars were brought up...

again if they move those 2 jags go to nfc west (now in la) and stl goes to afc south. no one would care.