2010/11 Phillies Offseason Thread

[SD]

For the last time dum dums, striking out is bad in that it prevents you from getting on base.  Beyond that an out is an out and how it came about is almost entirely negligible.  

A player who hits .280 and with 25 HR and .875 OPS but strikes out only 50 times is still not better than a guy who hits .280 with 35 home runs and a .925 OPS and 200 strike outs.  

Or in other words when looking at the final stat lines for a season strike outs mean less than nothing.

So game 6 against the Giants, down by a run (or maybe the score was tied), late in the game, bases loaded, 1 out, Ben Francisco strikes out. He puts the ball in play and the Phillies possibly win that game. See the stupidity in your logic? At least if you put the ball in play you're making the defense make an out, who knows, maybe they over throw 1st base, drop an easy catch etc.

[ice grillin you]

hes gonna tell you an error isnt an out

in his theory francisco is getting out no matter what...in your scenario where his theory fails is that francisco could get a sac fly....or a fielders choice at second...two scenarios where theres an out but a run scores which obviously wouldnt happen if he strikes out

[charlie]

For the last time dum dums, striking out is bad in that it prevents you from getting on base.  Beyond that an out is an out and how it came about is almost entirely negligible.  

A player who hits .280 and with 25 HR and .875 OPS but strikes out only 50 times is still not better than a guy who hits .280 with 35 home runs and a .925 OPS and 200 strike outs.  

Or in other words when looking at the final stat lines for a season strike outs mean less than nothing.

So game 6 against the Giants, down by a run (or maybe the score was tied), late in the game, bases loaded, 1 out, Ben Francisco strikes out. He puts the ball in play and the Phillies possibly win that game. See the stupidity in your logic? At least if you put the ball in play you're making the defense make an out, who knows, maybe they over throw 1st base, drop an easy catch etc.

Bad example, bases loaded and one out you want the strikeout over the ground ball.. there's a greater chance of a double play to end the inning than there is for a defensive error. Especially if its Francisco.

[SD]

Is there a better chance the run gets home from 3rd with a ground out or a strike out?

[ice grillin you]

of course you want a strikeout over a double play but you dont want a strikeout over every other possible result

[smeags]

wow, this strikeout debate is still going on ?

[charlie]

of course you want a strikeout over a double play but you dont want a strikeout over every other possible result

I would rather francisco strike out over him hitting a HR, the rbi totals would ruin my statistical analysis.

[Rome]

I love it when Beene shows up.   It's like he's got Internet radar when it comes to sabermetric bullshtein.

[MDS]

part of the argument that strike outs mean nothing and are just outs makes sense. in many cases it does.

but in many cases it does not. so...what you need to do is meet somewhere in the middle of old timey baseball simplistic stat mentality and loser geek mcgraw sabermetrics.

[ice grillin you]

there is no middle...strikeouts are overwhelmingly awful in almost any case

[Don Ho]

wow, this strikeout debate is still going on ?

Should be resolved by June. 

[Rome]

Just in his example alone, the guy who strikes out 200 times with 85 RBI (Werth!)... if he puts the ball in play 100 times and only strikes out 100 times how many more RBI's does he get?

Regardless, if you're a leadoff hitter and you play 150 games, that's 150 guaranteed at-bats where you won't hit into a force out.  It makes no sense to say in that scenario striking out isn't worse than hitting the ball in play regardless of the outcome.  It's just contrarian nonsense to suggest otherwise.

[Sgt PSN]

wow, this strikeout debate is still going on ?

Yes and I suspect all of these idiots are experts on striking out......with women.

[smeags]

neato

[Rome]

We can't all be experts on striking out with doodes like you, Sarsaparilla.