2010/11 Phillies Offseason Thread

MDS · October 24, 2010, 01:23:59 AM

Sit on it and come back next week.

Never gonna get over Choke striking out but life has to go on.

Let's just say this....moves need to be made. Can't come back with the same lineup, can't come back with Ibanez, need to younger somehow.

For now, drink. Heavily.

Hawk · October 24, 2010, 01:57:05 AM

No one wants this thread.

MDS · October 24, 2010, 02:01:11 AM

It has to happen. There will be a 2011 season. At some point, you will watch baseball again.

PhillyPhreak54 · October 24, 2010, 02:04:04 AM

I have complete faith in Ruben Amaro Jr. that he will build a quality baseball club for 2011.

Don Ho · October 24, 2010, 02:33:04 AM

Couple glasses of wine, birds in the morning, ready to move on. This off season will be interesting. Werth adios, do they dump any one? Who can they get in here?

I'm bummed, I'm pissed, I'm sick but 2008 is still fresh in my mind. We'll get through this. We've got some bums out there but we're going to have an incredible pitching staff. Fatty's not a bad #4.

The BIGSTUD · October 24, 2010, 02:37:36 AM

I'll never forget what Rollins and Victorino have done for this team, but the marriage is over. Rollins is a bad hitter right now. He's not even mediocre, he's bad. Victorino this entire season was a bad hitter. Last season he was a .300 hitter until September and then ended up around .280. To drop that much in just a month is telling and it carried over into 2010. He sucked at the plate all season. He swings for the fences and batting LH he is a joke.

I understand Rollins wasn't healthy, but this is the 3rd year in a row now that he has declined at the plate. I can't even imagine what he will be like next season. We'll miss their speed on the bases, but it isn't like they stole bases when it mattered anyway. Say goodbye and bring in some guys who can actually take walks and put the ball in play.

Ibanez needs to go too, he's done.

MDS · October 24, 2010, 04:21:39 AM

Alright, lets do this

Rotation:
Halladay, Oswalt, Hamels, Blanton, Kendrick/Worley/Whatever
--No one wants Blanton at 10.5 mil. No one. We're stuck. Thanks Rube.

Bullpen:
Lidge, Madson, Baez, Herdon, basticho, ?, ?
--They could buy Baez out or try again, either way, nice going Rube. Romero, Contreras, Durbin probably all too expensive to keep. Though, they need 1 reliable arm as insurance/buffer for Madson and Lidge. Perhaps the Cuban can stick.

Lineup:
Chooch, Choke, Free Pass Utley, Jimmy, Polanco, Ibanez, Victorino, HOF Brown
--Ibanez needs to be put out his misery. Victorino might have just worn out his welcome. Choke probably should be traded but his massive contract (thanks Rube) is going to prevent that for another 4 years. Will they sign Werth? How will they get younger? Otherwise, it'll stick. Victorino is really your only tradeable asset, unless you blow the entire thing up and start from scratch. Either way, in the least, we'll have a full season of Brown hitting .245 and falling well short of what Heyward did.

Bench:
Schneider, Gload, Francisco, Valdez, ?
--Valdez proved he could actually play, and with everyone always injured and getting old, they'll need him again next year. Will he, a replacement-level player who routinely grounds into double plays, be as good in 2011? No. He probably won't. You need another infielder who can spell the starters, someone not named Greg Dobbs. Otherwise, they are locked into Schneider and Gload (fine), and Francisco is sufficient as a reserve outfielder.

Unless ownership okays a massive increase in payroll, pretty much the only thing they can do is trade Victorino and hope to resign Werth. I can't think of any other logical move they could make to get better. But Rube pulled the Oswalt trade out of his ass, so maybe he can cook something up.

Don Ho · October 24, 2010, 04:49:22 AM

I'm glad you got this going. I've been thnking about it all night.

Rotation: I can live with fatty at #4 and Kendrick. Doc. Oswalt and Cole will be solid.

Bullpen: Get Durbin out of here. Definitely need another arm.

Lineup: Get rid of Victorino while you can. Raul probably won' t even play a full season. Werth probably gone but I'd love to see him back. Going to be tough to replace. Agreed that Brown is a long way away. Choke, that contract is proving to be a disaster.

Bench: Love Wilson. Guy was stellar and how awesome would that have been if he scored the tying run tonight! Dobbs, oh dear god no. I swear he's never been the same since he DH'd in Tampa during the 08 WS. Gload, Francisco and
Schneider are fine.

Correct Todd, Amaro always finds a way to pull something out of his ass and I don't think he'll stop now.

ice grillin you · October 24, 2010, 08:25:12 AM

this is a stupid farging thread with horrible timing

Rome · October 24, 2010, 08:32:51 AM

they absolutely need to reconfigure this team. the rollins-utley-howard troika is done. if they lose werth they'll be the most left-hitting unbalanced team in the majors and adding dom brown isn't the solution either.

PoopyfaceMcGee · October 24, 2010, 08:37:36 AM

Quote from: ice grillin you on October 24, 2010, 08:25:12 AM
this is a stupid farging thread with horrible timing

This will be correct until the Eagles' season is over.

charlie · October 24, 2010, 09:08:43 AM

i've done a total 180 on werth, not that i think he's as good as he's going to get paid like, but he's their best outfielder right now. they need the righty in the lineup. but they will only keep if if there's someone taking both ibanez and victorino

SD · October 24, 2010, 12:52:20 PM

My early prediction: Phillies sign Cliff Lee and trade Blanton. You heard it here first.

PhillyPhreak54 · October 24, 2010, 12:58:12 PM

I believe that too.

Munson · October 24, 2010, 01:01:17 PM

I want that. Don't know if I believe it...but I want it.

THough my pipe dream was they don't use the money to sign Werth so they can sign Cliff Lee. Just say "farg it" with the offense, go with what they got, and hope the best rotation in MLB history can bring it home.