Can We All Finally Agree Donovan Needs To Burn In Hell (even you phreak)

[Drunkmasterflex]

Campbell is five years younger than McNabb and basically had the same type of year statistically last year that McNabb did, and he did that without the sort of weapons that McNabb had.

But you guys are right... McNabb is much better than Campbell.

In fairness to McNabb his oline was terrible last season.  I am glad to see McNabb gone...but lets not pretend he is the worst QB in the NFL.  As much as Phreak is blinded by his homerism that is how bad you sound with your hatred of him.

[NC_Eagle]

Campbell is five years younger than McNabb and basically had the same type of year statistically last year that McNabb did, and he did that without the sort of weapons that McNabb had.

But you guys are right... McNabb is much better than Campbell.

The bottom line agrees:

As a starter Jason Campbell has a record of 20 wins and 32 loses.

The Eagles were 92-49-1 in regular-season games that McNabb started and 9-7 in the playoffs.

Peter King's take:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/04/05/mcnabb/index.html

This is what the most interesting trade in the NFL since Eric Dickerson to the Colts in 1987 came down to:

From Washington's perspective, Mike Shanahan looked at Donovan McNabb and saw John Elway. In 1995, Shanahan took the Denver coaching job and inherited a quarterback who couldn't win the big one, who'd gotten stale, who'd lost the faith of the locals in Denver to deliver a Super Bowl. Elway, then 35, went on to play four years for Shanahan and win two Super Bowls. In 2010, Shanahan takes the Washington coaching job and deals for a quarterback who couldn't win the big one, who'd gotten stale, who'd lost the faith of the locals in Philadelphia to deliver a Super Bowl. McNabb is 33. He wants to play at least four more years.

From Philadelphia's perspective, and I've written this a hundred times, Andy Reid looked at his team and saw Groundhog Day. Highly competitive every year, falling short every year, usually with some painful offensive futility involved. The vomitous, time-wasting drive at the end of the Super Bowl five years ago, the no-touchdowns-in-the-first-21-possessions frustration in the final two games against Dallas last season. And Reid has a capable young drone, Kevin Kolb, a player whose release, demeanor and progress in three years intrigues him.

I like Shanahan and GM Bruce Allen knowing they probably couldn't get the college quarterback of their dreams, Sam Bradford, in trade with St. Louis -- and going out and getting a 2010-ready passer who will upgrade their team drastically at the most important position on the field. I'll be surprised if Washington isn't at least four wins better this year, a .500 team.

Jason Campbell trade partners. I don't think he's worth much -- maybe a fifth-round pick -- but if, say, the Bills or Raiders want to add him to their mix, I'm sure they can have him. Washington would be happy to go forward with Rex Grossman as McNabb's backup if they could get a draft pick for Campbell, who I never believed was any part of Shanahan's long-term plans.

As we digest the McNabb trade, consider what happened the last time Washington coach Mike Shanahan took a 30-something quarterback under his wing and tried to win a Super Bowl with him. With John Elway, Shanahan actually won two.
John Elway    Comp-Att.    Pct.    Yards    TD    Int
Pre-Shanahan, 1983-94    3030-5384    .562    37,736    199    177
With Shanahan, 1995-98    1093-1866    .585    13,739    101    49

For the record, Elway was 50-17 in four seasons with Shanahan.

[PhillyPhreak54]

BDawk: "You finally get him the weapons he's been asking for, and the fans have been asking for, and then you trade him before he can grow with them".

Yep.

[Rome]

Never said he was better.  I said he was younger and the stats from last year for both players were very similar.

[NC_Eagle]

Never said he was better.  I said he was younger and the stats from last year for both players were very similar.

Sorry, thought you were being cynical.

[Rome]

lmfao at "grow with them".  how the farg is a 33 year old quarterback supposed to grow with a group of 24 year-old kids?

are you on meth or what, dude?

jesus...

and double lol @ comparing the records of campbell & mcnabb.  put mcnabb on all those horrible taterskins teams with all those horrible coaches and how well do you think he would have fared?

[PhillyPhreak54]

lmfao at "grow with them".  how the farg is a 33 year old quarterback supposed to grow with a group of 24 year-old kids?

are you on meth or what, dude?

jesus...

and double lol @ comparing the records of campbell & mcnabb.  put mcnabb on all those horrible taterskins teams with all those horrible coaches and how well do you think he would have fared?

Whatever helps you sleep better at night.

33years old - he has 3-4 more good years left.

24 years old + 3-4 years = growing.

[phillymic2000]

lmfao at "grow with them".  how the farg is a 33 year old quarterback supposed to grow with a group of 24 year-old kids?

are you on meth or what, dude?

jesus...

and double lol @ comparing the records of campbell & mcnabb.  put mcnabb on all those horrible taterskins teams with all those horrible coaches and how well do you think he would have fared?

plus, wasn't it Dmac who blamed the losses to Dallas on the inexperience of the players around him? LOL its never ihs fargin fault.

[Father Demon]

Dawkins didn't just answer yes. He broke down exactly why the Eagles are making a mistake.

"You know what?  For me, I would say yes," Dawkins said. " Let me preface this by saying this: You finally get Donovan the weapons that he's been asking for, and the fans have been asking for, for many, many years.  You finally get D-Jack (DeSean Jackson) outside.  [Jeremy] Maclin's doing a great job.  [Brent] Celek has blossomed into one of the best tight ends in the game.  You have Jason Avant to move the chains, a physical inside slot guy.  So you're finally getting those things in place and then you trade a guy who is playing at a high level still.  That's what I don't understand.

"If you tell me that Donovan has been slipping, he's not been playing that Pro Bowl-type ball or that MVP-type ball on a consistent basis.  Now, I'm not talking about slipping up every once in a while, or not having good games every once in a while, I'm talking about on a consistent basis playing high-caliber football, which he's still doing, then I could see that.  But not this.  Not this when you have all those weapons in place and now you don't allow him to grow with those weapons and have those weapons grow with him so that they can see if this is the mix that could finally get Philadelphia that championship."

[PhillyPhreak54]

blah blah blah...you clowns dancing on his grave crack me up.

Don't complain if we see zesty football now. If they finish 4-12 and Jesus Kolb has 20 Tds and 27 INTs not a peep.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Elway is a smart guy, and McNabb is dumber than shtein.  But otherwise the comparisons are legit.

[MDS]

lol @ listening to dawk

what do you think hes gonna say. 5 is his boy, he's been with him since day 1. of course hes gonna defend him. he sees kolb as just another punk ass whose done nothing.

[PhillyPhreak54]

lol at your deflecting anything or anyone speaking out against the trade.

[MDS]

dawk has the same pull as kolbs parents do.

the inside stuff is the interesting thing. not you could have guessed it reactions from pimp and dawk and the like. what the farg you think they gonna say?

[reese125]

people in here acting like they never liked mcnabb--cracks me up

and I dont think I laughed that hard in a long time when Rome said he would take Campbell in a heart beat over Mcnabb. One year, he had better passing yards and completion percentage (by like what 60 some yards--and mcnabb missed 2 games).

Campbell is a very big reason the skins have been so bad....and with all of his 15 cute int's last year. Yep, take him in a heartbeat.