Can We All Finally Agree Donovan Needs To Burn In Hell (even you phreak)

[shorebird]

Donovan has always had a lot of people against him because of his color. I can't remember the amount of people who I've heard say "they need a white QB".

While that is true, there was also an underlying anti-McNabb sentiment for almost as long as he has been here.  The SB loss and Garcia just put it in the forefront.  

Let's stop beating around the bush and call it like it is. There are those people in the Eagles fan base that will never like him because of the color of his skin, and have used his short comings as an excuse to voice their opinions in mixed company.

[shorebird]

there arent words to describe how wrong that post is

again unless youre in the city on a regular basis and getting the vibe you really dont know whats going on

lol @ thinking a computer gives you that..typical y2k thinking

you gotta be on the ground son...i cant tell you whats going on in afghanistan or seattle...or wherever the hell you people live simply because i have a computer

lol.  it ain't just the computer dook, although that does make it pretty simple to gather info.  here's a question for you......why do you think most people on this board are eagles fans?  because with a few exceptions, we're all from in/around philly.  which means that there's a good farging possibility that a lot of us still have friends and family back there.  walking up and down broad street for an hour does not put you in tune with the collective thoughts of several million people.  and if it does then you've got some super human osmosis ability.   

lol @ you for thinking that you are the only real source for getting the "philly vibe" around here.  christ dude, you've just taken your ignorance and arrogance to unprecedented levels. 

^This times 10^. Igy's not telling you about the crystal ball he bought on sale at Wal-Mart. He has it in the basement of his D.C. suburban home. It used to work for reading McNabb's mind until Dmac started wearing that tin foil hat.

[Sgt PSN]

tin foil hats are the new do-rag

[smeags]

We'll wait to see if he's back. Once that takes place, I'm open for bets.

unless reid changes his ways you're going to lose money.

[ice grillin you]

dont get me wrong i would give my left nut for a more pro style offense and more rushing attempts but way more important than that is to get a qb who fits in reids system...and an aging beat up inaccuarte QB is not the answer

i just cant believe there are people out there that think if reid suddenly ran the ball 4-5 more times a game that A) they wouold be successful at it and B) mcnabb would all of a sudeden become accurate clutch and not a mopey crybaby

[MDS]

its truly amazing how delusional some people are. most arent to the extent good old phreak is but there is still the "we just need to run the ball more" contingent. i guess those are the same people that were convinced this was the year after the eagles tore through 11 last place teams before reality set in.

[Sgt PSN]

i'll say this.....running more does not make mcnabb more accurate nor does it make him more clutch or less pukey.  however, if the eagles were to become a more balanced team that could control the clock, mcnabb would most certainly benefit from that.....as would damn near any quarterback.  so making that "argument" is stating the obvious.  like when madden said stupid crap during pre-game about how the way you win the game is by scoring more points than the other team.  no shtein. 

i do think that mcnabb is good enough to win a superbowl i just don't think it's ever going to happen in philly, especially with reid calling the shots.  mcnabb's just not the type of qb who can throw the ball 60+% of the time and be consistently successfull.  and i really don't want to see mcnabb go (i've calmed down since the playoff loss) but at the same time, since i know reid isn't going anywhere and i also know that this team isn't winning anything with both of them around, then something needs to change.  i would love to see reid go before mcnabb.  but it ain't happening. 

[SunMo]

that's what i don't understand about Reid, when Garcia came in for Donovan, he was very effective because of the balance the offense took on.  but once Donovan came back, he reverted to the insanity.  Donovan is not equipped to throw as much as he is forced to.  maybe if he had touch and accuracy, he could be, but the fact that Andy doesn't tailor the offense around donovan's strengths is one of the more mind numbing questions throughout this run.

[Rome]

running the ball more would cure a lot of the ills that plague them.

they'd be less reliant on the big play to bail them out.  the smallish defense they run out there would be less exposed.   and donovan would face less pressure to constantly carry the team on his narrow shoulders.

it wouldn't cure the poor draft choices, especially on defense, nor would it make donovan more accurate but it would ease several problems they've faced for over a decade.

[Sgt PSN]

same can be said back in 02 (i think it was) when feeley played the home stretch of the season and the eagles won like 5 of 6 or something like that.  feeley was only in like his 2nd year.  garcia was a pro-bowl veteran qb and in both cases, he balanced the offense out (understandably with feeley).  and in garcia's case, the offense was definitely more consistent and efficient. 

it's in that regard that i think mcnabb does get an unfair shake sometimes because for whatever reason, reid puts alot more on mcnabb than he's able to shoulder. 

[ice grillin you]

that's what i don't understand about Reid, when Garcia came in for Donovan, he was very effective because of the balance the offense took on.  but once Donovan came back, he reverted to the insanity.  Donovan is not equipped to throw as much as he is forced to.  maybe if he had touch and accuracy, he could be, but the fact that Andy doesn't tailor the offense around donovan's strengths is one of the more mind numbing questions throughout this run.

garcia ran the offense the way he did because his skill set is more tailored for the routes that are necessary to run the west coast offense

way to much attention is put on how much andy passes the ball and not enough on the fact that he has a qb that is not ideally suited for the kinds of passes he does call

im of the opinion that andy should be shot for trying to fit square peg mcnabb in a round hole offense for 11 years - not for passing the ball to much...the farging idiot should have either changed the skematics of his offense or got a different qb...instead he plowed the status quo ahead for a decade

[mpmcgraw]

Maybe he can be the best second basemen ever, but that's even a huge stretch.

not a huge stretch at all

best hitting 2nd basemen ever, very possible.

best defenseive 2nd basemen ever, very unlikely. 

He's actually been by far the best defensive second baseman over the past 5 years.  No lie.

[Sgt PSN]

his defense improved tremendously but he's still got a ways to go to be considered among the best ever. 

[mpmcgraw]

Well I never saw most of the greats play and there are no defensive metrics available for them so I can't argue one way or the other.  All I know is Utley is the best defensive second baseman in the game right now. 

[SunMo]

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