Eagles/Bears Talk

ice grillin you · November 23, 2009, 12:18:16 AM

Quote from: General_Failure on November 23, 2009, 12:15:41 AM
The most interesting part is how many he had before Owens when there was farg all at receiver compared to afterwards. I believe there were 0 during Owens' time in Philly.
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before owens he ran the ball a lot more and had moments like the mark carrier ankle game

General_Failure · November 23, 2009, 12:19:47 AM

Which goes to show the problem is mostly Reid, and partly your awesome quoting skills.

BigEd76 · November 23, 2009, 12:20:46 AM

he had 3 during the TO era (at Cleveland 2004, vs Dallas 2004 when TO broke his leg, the Matt Ware game 2005)

General_Failure · November 23, 2009, 12:22:31 AM

Quote from: BigEd76 on November 23, 2009, 12:20:46 AM
he had 3 during the TO era (at Cleveland, vs Dallas 2004, the Matt Ware game)

Thank you, Ed Assfinder. So that means three with nothing at WR, three with a great WR, and one with the most balanced set of players this offense has ever had.

MDS · November 23, 2009, 12:57:10 AM

this was kind of a 4th qtr comeback

how many times has mcnabb had 1 drive left to tie/win the game and got it done. the drive tonight was nice, but if he fails they have 1-2 other shots to get it done. whats his record in under 2 minute/this is it type pressure.

im talkin nfc title game last year. tie game. 1 drive. and he fails.

mpmcgraw · November 23, 2009, 01:03:44 AM

the defense and kevin curtis failed more than he did.

General_Failure · November 23, 2009, 01:05:38 AM

Quote from: MDS on November 23, 2009, 12:57:10 AM
this was kind of a 4th qtr comeback

how many times has mcnabb had 1 drive left to tie/win the game and got it done. the drive tonight was nice, but if he fails they have 1-2 other shots to get it done. whats his record in under 2 minute/this is it type pressure.

im talkin nfc title game last year. tie game. 1 drive. and he fails.

So what you want is his record when he's already blown several opportunities in the game. Probably not very good, if I were to estimate.

MDS · November 23, 2009, 01:13:28 AM

im not even trying to attack him here. a little, maybe.

but throw mcnabbs record in that spot against brady, manning, elway, etc. off the top of my head the giants game in 01, 4th and 26 are ones where he did it. but those were both fgs...which is of course all he needed. but thats not the point. anyone got that or wanna dig it up.

Munson · November 23, 2009, 01:36:46 AM

Well there's you're problem right there...you keep holding him up to Manning and Brady and Elway and etc....McNabb is one of the better QB's in the NFL right now, but no one is as good as those guys are. When we're old and the rest of this MB is dead, Manning and Brady will be looked at as all time greats of the game. The only other QB in the league right now that might get that distinction is in NO. You might be able to make a case for Warner. Big Ben has two SB rings but how much of that is him and how much of that is the great team/coaching he's had?

But other than that, the other 27 guys have their great moments and their POS moments...Hell, even Roflburger looks like pure dog shtein sometimes. Or look at Warner when he had no Oline and a mediocre supporting cast in NYG. McNabb had more great moments earlier in his career, but he still is better than most and the constant bashing he takes because he's not a sure fire HOFer and needs a little help from the guys around him/better playcalling from the coach is a bit over the top. Not everyone is Brady or Manning, and there's only going to be 2 or 3 of those types of guys a generation.

MDS · November 23, 2009, 01:44:13 AM

you lost me at mcnabb is one of the better qbs in the nfl right now. fresh off his first good game since the giants, good spot to bring it up.

but no, he is what he is. but qbs are judged on exactly that: 4th qtr drives to win and rings. it aint gonna get done 100% of the time, but mcnabb NEVER does it. never won a bowl. never been a guy to pull a comeback/give you that drive. and thats what hes gonna be remembered for.

that and being a bitch.

Munson · November 23, 2009, 02:07:39 AM

The only people who call McNabb are a bitch are delusional Philly fans like you and IGY who are convinced he holds some sort of grudge and losses on purpose.

lol at him not being one of the better QB's in the league right now. After that top 4 or 5, you've got Rivers, McNabb, Palmer, Rodgers, Flacco, Eli, Romo, Cutler, Hasselbeck, Schaub, etc.....only one of those guys has a ring, and all have failed to come back before. For the record, Eli had 10 come from behind wins before this year started. But that was going into the 4th quarter, not your has to be the last drive of the game stat, of which I do not know.

Add those 10 guys to the Manning/Brady/Brees/Warner/Big Ben, throw in Brett Favre even though he's in the league for another year tops...and you've got the top 16 QB's in the league. When McNabb's on AND when the coach is calling a good game, he's better than all of em (not counting Manning/Brady/etc). But none of those guys are going to win a SB by himself. Eli had Plaxico Burress and what amounted to be the best D line (and oline?) in the NFL when he won it. Oh, and also a competent running game that was used.

Lol at the thought of some of those QB's in an offense that passes 45 times a game every game and up until now had no body to throw to outside of stop drop and roll Lewis and TO for a year. and lol at you if you think McNabb is the worst out of that bunch.

The BIGSTUD · November 23, 2009, 02:30:46 AM

McNabb is barely= top 10 right now. QBs better than McNabb right now:

Brady, Peyton, Brees, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Palmer, Favre, Warner. Maybe Rodgers and Schaub. By right now I mean right this minute this season. You can't assume McNabb will catch fire in the second half, and the past doesn't matter either. Right now he's not accurate and rushes way too many throws. Also he sees the field very poorly.

Munson · November 23, 2009, 02:32:46 AM

Quote from: King Cole on November 23, 2009, 02:30:46 AM
McNabb is barely= top 10 right now. QBs better than McNabb right now:

Brady, Peyton, Brees, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Palmer, Favre, Warner. Maybe Rodgers and Schaub. By right now I mean right this minute this season. You can't assume McNabb will catch fire in the second half, and the past doesn't matter either. Right now he's not accurate and rushes way too many throws. Also he sees the field very poorly.

That would put Mcnabb at 11. Which would make him one of the better QB's in the NFL.

And unfortunately for the Cards Warner borrowed Westbrook's head today.

The BIGSTUD · November 23, 2009, 02:35:19 AM

Considering the majority of the QBs suck in this league, 11 isn't that great. Not good enough to win anything anyway.

But if you want to label him as 11/32 and think that being better than half of the league is a good thing, go right ahead. It won't change the fact that you'll continue to be disappointed every year with him as the QB. He just isn't good enough anymore.

Munson · November 23, 2009, 02:49:09 AM

That's exactly the point. Everyone bitches about McNabb but doesn't stop and look around and realize that about half the QB's in the league absolutely suck, and 2/3rds of what's left are about on par with McNabb. I don't blame anyone for wanting a Manning or a Brady, but getting rid of McNabb isn't guaranteeing that we're going to get that guy on the Eagles. In fact, looking at the league and the amount of suck there is at the quarterback position, there's a better chance the team spends years in turmoil with zesty QB's every year. No thank you.

I don't get disappointed in him because I know he's not going to win it all with this coach. The Oline has been shotty all year, but they seem to be gelling now. The defense has also been suspect, but if fat boy stops trying to make Donovan into Peyton Manning and calls a balanced game/plays that favor McNabb like he did tonight, then they can win it. They've certainly got the skill players to do it finally, after passing 45 times a game to guys like James Thrash.

Of course no one is getting by NO or Indy or even the Vikes this year so it doesn't really matter.