Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[Sgt PSN]

for the one billionth time...if you currently have health insurance very little if anything is going to happen to you...this plan is for the people who are getting reamed by their private insurer...cant afford their private insurance or and most importantly dont have health insurance at all

question how this is going to be paid for...that is more than fair....but this hyperbolic reaction that somehow all people over 65 are going to die because of this...or your current doctor is going to be stripped away from you or you will be forced to go to the govt for your care is nothing more than right wing gibberish spewed forth because they are in the pockets of the large insurance companies

can you say it again......for the billionth and one time?   just for me?  

[Diomedes]

Something defiantly needs to be done, but this ain't it. I don't want health care that has the government telling my doctor what he can do for me, how to treat me, or what meds to give me. If I get sick I don't want the government giving me a number and telling me to get in line to be operated on or treated. I don't want the government telling me I can't get a kidney or whatever, because I'm too old. I don't want health care that tells doctors what they can and can't do based on how much money is available. If people have the money or the insurance they should be able to get the best care they can afford. I'm not saying that the current health care situation isn't flawed, because it is. I just think whatever happens that the government shouldn't be in so much control over it.

You miss my point. Insurance companies are crooks, period. My problem is with the government telling doctors who to treat and how to treat them.

Well if this ain't it--and by "this," I'm not sure what you mean because we've got several different ideas kicking around--what should it be?  Right now all those things you are talking about are happening, but instead of the big evil government you so enjoy hating, the beaurocracies making those decisions are the filthy rich insurance companies.  Insurance companies are telling doctors how to treat patients.  Insurance companies are bankrupting hard working Americans.  Insurance companies are denying coverage because it won't make them any money.

Now I'm a pinko commie fag liberal, so given the choice between a government run plan and a corporation run plan, I prefer the former by far, if only because the government is held to a much higher legal standard for fairness, transparency, and accountability.  Corporations can do whatever they want behind the curtain of "trade/competition secrets," and don't have to give an open account of damn near anything they do.

The holy holy free and wild capitalism you conservatives worship flat out doesn't work as the sole model of delivering health care.  The profit motive simply cannot compete against the health motive.

rjs' post above is spot on.  The last point in particular begs the question of all you conservatives:  where is your patriotism now that you will be asked to pitch in for the good of the country?  You people demand that you get everything you have now or better, that you suffer no cost of any kind whether monetary or even simple inconvenience, even as 47 million Americans struggle through life without health care.   The degree of selfishness and obstinacy on display amongst your tribe is appalling. 

To borrow and re-purpose a phrase already well directed at your kind before: Have you people no decency?

[Sgt PSN]

dio ftw

[rjs246]

This idea that the government will be telling doctors how to treat people and that is why health care reform is a bad idea is ridiculous.

The Health insurance companies not only tell doctors how to treat their patients now, but they reserve the right to drop those patients when they get sick.

How the farg is that not sinking in with you whack jobs? The current system is not only insufficient it's a-moral. You farging people.

[shorebird]

The gub will be controlling everything, not just doctors. Whatever, we can debate it all day long, but theres growing sentiment in both parties that it shouldn't pass as it is now. You all might be shocked to know that opinions here on are in a shrinking minority out in the real world.

[Rome]

Something defiantly needs to be done, but this ain't it. I don't want health care that has the government telling my doctor what he can do for me, how to treat me, or what meds to give me. If I get sick I don't want the government giving me a number and telling me to get in line to be operated on or treated. I don't want the government telling me I can't get a kidney or whatever, because I'm too old. I don't want health care that tells doctors what they can and can't do based on how much money is available. If people have the money or the insurance they should be able to get the best care they can afford. I'm not saying that the current health care situation isn't flawed, because it is. I just think whatever happens that the government shouldn't be in so much control over it.

You miss my point. Insurance companies are crooks, period. My problem is with the government telling doctors who to treat and how to treat them.

Well if this ain't it--and by "this," I'm not sure what you mean because we've got several different ideas kicking around--what should it be?  Right now all those things you are talking about are happening, but instead of the big evil government you so enjoy hating, the beaurocracies making those decisions are the filthy rich insurance companies.  Insurance companies are telling doctors how to treat patients.  Insurance companies are bankrupting hard working Americans.  Insurance companies are denying coverage because it won't make them any money.

Now I'm a pinko commie fag liberal, so given the choice between a government run plan and a corporation run plan, I prefer the former by far, if only because the government is held to a much higher legal standard for fairness, transparency, and accountability.  Corporations can do whatever they want behind the curtain of "trade/competition secrets," and don't have to give an open account of damn near anything they do.

The holy holy free and wild capitalism you conservatives worship flat out doesn't work as the sole model of delivering health care.  The profit motive simply cannot compete against the health motive.

rjs' post above is spot on.  The last point in particular begs the question of all you conservatives:  where is your patriotism now that you will be asked to pitch in for the good of the country?  You people demand that you get everything you have now or better, that you suffer no cost of any kind whether monetary or even simple inconvenience, even as 47 million Americans struggle through life without health care.   The degree of selfishness and obstinacy on display amongst your tribe is appalling. 

To borrow and re-purpose a phrase already well directed at your kind before: Have you people no decency?

Absolutely excellent post.


Also - I was watching Chris Matthews this morning and he raised a pretty valid question... (paraphrasing) is race the real issue behind the vitriol on the right?  According to a poll (Washington Post, I believe) approximately 75% of White Evangelicals think President Obama is doing a bad job.  What has he done so far to elicit that sort of horrendous disapproval rating from white fundies? 

Has he raised their taxes?  Has he cut government services?  Has he abridged their freedoms in any way, shape or form?    All the guy has done thus far is try and make things better for people just like them, yet he's getting clobbered 3 to 1 against in the polls.  I know many of them are inbred retards, but Jesus, are they really that stupid as to believe that big business and the richest fargs in the country care more about them than the poor guy from the southside of Chicago?

[Sgt PSN]

i think there's a strong sentiment here as well that it shouldn't pass as is.  from what i've read from everyone, it seems like most ers are looking for something that resides somewhere in the middle.  and yes, that willingness to search for the happy medium is a trait that is becoming harder and harder to find among people everywhere...especially among those that govern us.  that's what i think obama's strongest suit is....trying to spread that same mentality throughout congress.  the right is over here, the left is over there.  let's meet in the middle on our ideas since that's where the over whelmingly large majority of people live anyway. 

[Sgt PSN]

According to a poll (Washington Post, I believe) approximately 75% of White Evangelicals think President Obama is doing a bad job.  What has he done so far to elicit that sort of horrendous disapproval rating from white fundies? 

i think you answered your own question.

are they really that stupid as to believe that big business and the richest fargs in the country care more about them than the poor guy from the southside of Chicago?

billy bob in the trailer park hates big business just as much as your or me.  he just happens to hate black people more. 

[shorebird]

Something defiantly needs to be done, but this ain't it. I don't want health care that has the government telling my doctor what he can do for me, how to treat me, or what meds to give me. If I get sick I don't want the government giving me a number and telling me to get in line to be operated on or treated. I don't want the government telling me I can't get a kidney or whatever, because I'm too old. I don't want health care that tells doctors what they can and can't do based on how much money is available. If people have the money or the insurance they should be able to get the best care they can afford. I'm not saying that the current health care situation isn't flawed, because it is. I just think whatever happens that the government shouldn't be in so much control over it.

You miss my point. Insurance companies are crooks, period. My problem is with the government telling doctors who to treat and how to treat them.

Well if this ain't it--and by "this," I'm not sure what you mean because we've got several different ideas kicking around--what should it be?  Right now all those things you are talking about are happening, but instead of the big evil government you so enjoy hating, the beaurocracies making those decisions are the filthy rich insurance companies.  Insurance companies are telling doctors how to treat patients.  Insurance companies are bankrupting hard working Americans.  Insurance companies are denying coverage because it won't make them any money.

Now I'm a pinko commie fag liberal, so given the choice between a government run plan and a corporation run plan, I prefer the former by far, if only because the government is held to a much higher legal standard for fairness, transparency, and accountability.  Corporations can do whatever they want behind the curtain of "trade/competition secrets," and don't have to give an open account of damn near anything they do.

The holy holy free and wild capitalism you conservatives worship flat out doesn't work as the sole model of delivering health care.  The profit motive simply cannot compete against the health motive.

rjs' post above is spot on.  The last point in particular begs the question of all you conservatives:  where is your patriotism now that you will be asked to pitch in for the good of the country?  You people demand that you get everything you have now or better, that you suffer no cost of any kind whether monetary or even simple inconvenience, even as 47 million Americans struggle through life without health care.   The degree of selfishness and obstinacy on display amongst your tribe is appalling. 

To borrow and re-purpose a phrase already well directed at your kind before: Have you people no decency?

I didn't know partiotism meant you have to just give into Washington even if you don't think what they're doing is a good idea. I can understand how you would think that though.
I am not against government funded health care especailly for people who don't have it. I'm not saying that the system now is good, it sucks. The plan now is more for government run health care than it is government funded health care.

[shorebird]

Also, I don't care how many times you say that the insurance countries tell doctors how to treat patients now, they don't do it to the extent that the government will if this plan passes. But keep saying it and eventually it might become true.

[Rome]

You really don't believe that insurance companies care more about profit than they do about providing quality health care coverage, do you?

[shorebird]

What does that have to do with wanting a better system than the plan as it is now? How do you even get that out of anything I posted? If you want to put insurance companies out of business, or have the government tell them what to charge, fine, I'm all for it.

[ice grillin you]

I don't care how many times you say that the insurance countries tell doctors how to treat patients now, they don't do it to the extent that the government will if this plan passes.

im not saying this isnt true and it might be in the fine print of whatever bill is trying to be passed but could you provide a link to it....or is this just what they boys down at the eastern shore pool halls are saying

[rjs246]

Also, I don't care how many times you say that the insurance countries tell doctors how to treat patients now, they don't do it to the extent that the government will if this plan passes. But keep saying it and eventually it might become true.

This is the dumbest shtein I've ever read. Insurance companies are driven by one factor. Profit. And yet somehow you expect them to provide better more consumer friendly oversight than a government that is basically in place to assist the people in a program that is designed to provide a service to those people?

Dumbest farging thing I've ever heard.

[shorebird]

Also, I don't care how many times you say that the insurance countries tell doctors how to treat patients now, they don't do it to the extent that the government will if this plan passes. But keep saying it and eventually it might become true.

This is the dumbest shtein I've ever read. Insurance companies are driven by one factor. Profit. And yet somehow you expect them to provide better more consumer friendly oversight than a government that is basically in place to assist the people in a program that is designed to provide a service to those people?

Dumbest farging thing I've ever heard.

Thats not what I'm saying at all. If you think that insurance companies tell doctors what to do now, how do you think it will be when the government is telling them what to charge, what medicine to give them and how to treat them based on financing like what is in the bill now? The quality of care will go down. Give doctors the authority to use thier own judgment.