Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[rjs246]

So he was awful, and genocidal, but not awful and genocidal enough to meet IGY's criteria for elimination. Super.

Look, the US went in for selfish reasons, as is always the case. And we screwed the pooch in many ways. But removing Sadam is a positive outcome. Maybe not a net positive for the whole experience, but his removal shouldn't be swept under the rug just because there are others like him.

[ice grillin you]

he wasnt worth detroying a country over and getting 5 thousand of our troops killed

[rjs246]

But removing Sadam is a positive outcome. Maybe not a net positive for the whole experience...

RIF

No one is arguing that the war in Iraq was justified in how it was conducted or the pretense under which it was started or in its results, what I'm saying is that taking Sadam out counts pretty plainly as a check in the Positive column.

[ice grillin you]

what I'm saying is that taking Sadam out counts pretty plainly as a check in the Positive column.

thats like saying well 911 was terrible but at least all the hijackers died

maybe you can say that but to me it would be a good thing if hundreds of thousands of iraqs and 5000+ americans didnt die along the way...and thats not even mentioning what its done to our economy and their country....i dont know how you can seperate the two

shtein if its such a positive lets roll our asses into cuba and get rid of their dictatorship too regardless of who and how many die

anyway its still yet to be seen if getting rid of sadaam is even a small positive yet...its only a positive if the country governs itself and secures itself in a better way than it was under sadaam...and we are a long way away from that

[rjs246]

Bad analogy.

If Bin Laden had died in the 911 attacks you would be closer.

Either way, removing a genocidal dictator is a good thing.

[ice grillin you]

Either way, removing a genocidal dictator is a good thing.

not always...and its never as black and white as youd like to think it is...frankly you sound like a neo con

[rjs246]

OK dookie. Like I've said repeatedly, the war was farged. If they wanted to remove Sadam they could have/should have set up a sniper and killed his and his sons' asses and avoided all of this other shtein. They farged everything up from beginning to end. But a GENOCIDAL DICTATOR IS OUT OF POWER.

I'm not the one being black and white. I'm recognizing good and bad outcomes of the war in Iraq. You're issuing a blanket statement that there is nothing remotely positive about anything that happened. Which is standard for you, but is also inaccurate. The vast majority of the outcomes were bad. Infrastructure destroyed, no security, Iraqis and Americans dead, ruined economies, etc etc. But Sadam out of power is good whether you want to admit that or not.

[Rome]

Stop arguing with him.

[ice grillin you]

sorry ignorance annoys me...and saying saadam being ousted is a good thing while completely ignoring the losses that occured by getting him out is ignorant

the end does not always justify the means...and its simpleton neo cons who believe and spew this crap...id expect this from loons like phillymic or bill but not from you two fine gentlemen much less dio

[rjs246]

What the hell are you talking about? I'm not ignoring anything. In fact I repeatedly pointed out all of the negatives of the war. I've never said that Sadam's ouster justified the means. In fact I pointed out (twice) that on net, the war did not have a positive outcome. Christ, you're farging retarded.

[rjs246]

Stop arguing with him.

Good idea.

[SD_Eagle5]

This argument reminds me of Republicans screaming "the surge worked, admit it democrats", meanwhile completely ignoring the bigger picture.

[rjs246]

Holy shtein, what the farg are you talking about. No one is ignoring anything. Don't jump on the I-Didn't-Read-Anything-You-Wrote-I'm-Just-Going-To-Assume-You're-Saying-Something-I-Don't-Agree-With bandwagon. One IGY is all this board needs.

[SD_Eagle5]

I'm not taking sides either way, I think Sadam out of power was one of the only positives that came from the war. I was using it as a comparison based on the type of argument not the content of said argument.

[rjs246]

Fine. I need to cut back on the coffee.