Donovan McNabb

JackStraw · February 04, 2009, 06:05:38 PM

Why is there this hand-wringing that life after McNabb is going to be the apocalypse? Sheese, like he is some second coming. This team has been basically a .500 team since the mutherfarging SB anyway. Yes, he had a good run (when he ran), yes great stats and wins, but no postseason success to speak of. Tell me, does anyone look back on the Bills with fond memories of a great team? No- it's always "wide right" Well with McNabb it will always be regurgitation. After all these years you think past performance is no indicator of future results? Fans need to stop living in 2002.

If they deal McNabb, they will shore-up the team in other regards - there will be no return of Rhodes/Peete. I don't see Reid/Lurie letting that happen. Barring the late-season chimera that was the playoff run, this team would have been on it's ass since mid-December and there would be a hell of a lot more people on the deal-him-now bandwagon.

I think dealing him opens up the door to filling what I consider to be more important positions than QB on this team right about now. Ironically, I also think an impact WR arrives only after he leaves.

Besides, 5 will get you 10 (ha) that if he gets a big, fat contract he doesn't play 16.

Magical_Retard · February 04, 2009, 06:14:58 PM

How does dealing him open the door to fill more important positions? By dealing him do you not create a hole for the biggest position on the team?

And if they do deal him it better be because of his lack of 2 min awareness and clutch ability, not because of this comment. It better be because Kolb is ready or that they have another QB in mind who can step right in....not because of this comment. Or because they are getting a lot of picks in return.

JackStraw · February 04, 2009, 06:34:16 PM

I think that in Reid's pea brain the rationalization is that the system and McNabb overcome/elevate journeymen at other positions. With his safety blanket gone, maybe Reid (& Lurie) decide a TEAM of skilled players is the only option - not just 5 and a rickety 1/2 back.

A significant hole, yes, but Warner proved anybody can get there, right?

ice grillin you · February 04, 2009, 07:25:15 PM

Quote from: JackStraw on February 04, 2009, 06:05:38 PM
Why is there this hand-wringing that life after McNabb is going to be the apocalypse? Sheese, like he is some second coming. This team has been basically a .500 team since the mutherfarging SB anyway. Yes, he had a good run (when he ran), yes great stats and wins, but no postseason success to speak of. Tell me, does anyone look back on the Bills with fond memories of a great team? No- it's always "wide right" Well with McNabb it will always be regurgitation. After all these years you think past performance is no indicator of future results? Fans need to stop living in 2002.

i really could care less if mcnabb died in an auto accident tonight and i wholeheartedly agree with everything you say above but at the same time i need more of a security blanket than kevin cobb...and imo if they deal mcnabb reid is going right to cobb and will ram him down our throats no matter how bad he is for as long as he possibly can get away with it just to prove he was a good pick...at this point tho i dont even care anymore...btwn AGAIN not stepping up in the cardinal game and his behavoir since i just want mcnabb outta here by squeezing as many draft picks as you can get out of some team

edit: i also think its a slap in the face of the bills when anyone mentions them with the eagles...and for some reason it always happens even tho there really is no comparison

Rome · February 04, 2009, 07:44:32 PM

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 04, 2009, 03:13:40 PM
id take four straight 3-13's if mcnabb had won a superbowl this year

and you can only win the superbowl if you make the superbowl

Post of the something or other.

reese125 · February 04, 2009, 07:52:29 PM

QuoteA significant hole, yes, but Warner proved anybody can get there, right?

no, not any qb in the league is Kurt Warner, can break down the steelers or ravens defense and can get to or win the SB if thats what youre asking

JackStraw · February 04, 2009, 08:04:05 PM

Quote from: reese125 on February 04, 2009, 07:52:29 PM
QuoteA significant hole, yes, but Warner proved anybody can get there, right?

no, not any qb in the league is Kurt Warner, can break down the steelers or ravens defense and can get to or win the SB if thats what youre asking

That wasn't the view of him when he was tossed on the ash heap after that stellar run with the Ginas few years back. (And after fumbling SIX times in one game against them a season earlier)

So now he's back and his wife has gotten hot...Go figure.

rjs246 · February 05, 2009, 07:31:22 AM

Are you guys still talking about this?

PoopyfaceMcGee · February 05, 2009, 07:54:32 AM

Talking about what?

rjs246 · February 05, 2009, 08:11:17 AM

Good.

Magical_Retard · February 05, 2009, 09:28:11 PM

Quote from: JackStraw on February 04, 2009, 08:04:05 PM
Quote from: reese125 on February 04, 2009, 07:52:29 PM
QuoteA significant hole, yes, but Warner proved anybody can get there, right?

no, not any qb in the league is Kurt Warner, can break down the steelers or ravens defense and can get to or win the SB if thats what youre asking

That wasn't the view of him when he was tossed on the ash heap after that stellar run with the Ginas few years back. (And after fumbling SIX times in one game against them a season earlier)

So now he's back and his wife has gotten hot...Go figure.

Your a smart dude and all but WTF are you talking about his wife being hot? Seriously man...

Anyway Warner on this team quite possibly performs as well as the Warner on the Giants. Which might be just enough if the defense stays the same or gets better and they run the ball some. Warner has been always the same player. Great quick release, accurate passing, but he also needs great skill players around him. That is not even a diss but actually just the facts for most QBs in this league. Its not like he forgot how to play with the Giants. They did not have the same weapons the Rams and Cardinals had/have.

You could be onto something about Reid possibly upgrading the skill positions if McNabb is gone...he did run the ball more with Garcia but then when he inserted Kolb into the game against the Ravens they continued to pass away.

And I am pretty confident that this coach/FO would love nothing else but to prove how smart they are. So even if Kolb looks like dog turd in camp/preseason they will force him to start simply because he CAN NOT be that bad if they picked him. They did this with Gocong and Hunt. Those are recent examples. They always do this. Which would not be terrible if only they switched from pass first to run first. Unfortunately one of the justifications of drafting Kolb was that he threw a ton in college so he fit this offense well.

reese125 · February 05, 2009, 09:38:41 PM

you guys keep bringing up the fact that Warner needs so many weapons around him to be good, but keep in mind that the offensive line for New York sucked in 04 and he never had time to release..the guy was friggin sacked 40 times in 10 games..and I highly doubt it was because nobody was open

when Warner has time he is one of the most efficient qbs in the league..this year he was only sacked 26 times

Magical_Retard · February 05, 2009, 09:44:20 PM

It a combination of thins, as always. The Giants line sucked but if they had better WRs maybe he could do what he does sometimes with Fitz and toss it up. Does he make the Arizona line look better by getting rid of the ball so fast? Or having his WRs beat coverage and get open right away? Goes hand in hand. The Giants did not have a great O line or great weapons. Well actually they had Tiki and were always more of a running team.

PoopyfaceMcGee · February 06, 2009, 07:24:18 AM

ZOMBIE ALERT!

ice grillin you · February 06, 2009, 08:11:11 AM

if warner had wr's running all over the field wide open like mcnabb did in the first half of the arizona game i guarantee he wouldnt have scored just 6 pts