A Decade of Andy Reid

[rjs246]

Trent Cole has had zero impact on this team's season. He's a really good player and he's the kind of defensive presense that they need more of, but he hasn't been a game changer once this year.

[Magical_Retard]

yeah he, along with the rest of the DLINE, pads their #s by getting sacks in bunches but they are nowhere to be found in big games or critical situations.

cole of course is the most talented and consistent and he even plays the run game decent.

how about going after peppers in the offseason?

[Diomedes]

Peppers is exactly the kind of player who signs a giant deal and then puff!, turns to shtein.

[rjs246]

I don't even give a shtein about the defense at this point. I'd like them to bulk up the DL and get some playmakers at LB, but they are more or less fine on that side of the ball right now. What they need on both sides of the ball is a farging attitude adjustment. A serious coke habit mixed with some anger management issues would be a welcome change for these fancy boys.

[Butchers Bill]

If AR is fired in the next year or two, I will be very interested to see the stories that come out afterwards.  All the players that have been silent under his regime probably have some interesting stories to tell.

[Wingspan]

If AR is fired in the next year or two, I will be very interested to see the stories that come out afterwards.  All the players that have been silent under his regime probably have some interesting stories to tell.

The coaching fraternity is very close and tight knit. Any player that speaks out about that will be blacklisted faster than freddie mitchell out of a girls locker room.  any stories that come out would be long after both sides were long retired.

The players don't care as much as you think they might. They play, they get paid. They aren't paid more for winning than they are for losing. Hell, they don't even get paid to know the rules.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Peppers is exactly the kind of player who signs a giant deal with the Eagles and then puff!, turns to shtein.

Yes, I was thinking the same thing.

[Seabiscuit36]

before the game even started yesterday, they were talking about the wind conditions, i said to my dad that Andy calls  50 passes at least.  Thanks for proving me right you fat farg.  Seriously, FARG him

[General_Failure]

If AR is fired in the next year or two, I will be very interested to see the stories that come out afterwards.  All the players that have been silent under his regime probably have some interesting stories to tell.

The coaching fraternity is very close and tight knit. Any player that speaks out about that will be blacklisted faster than freddie mitchell out of a girls locker room.  any stories that come out would be long after both sides were long retired.

The players don't care as much as you think they might. They play, they get paid. They aren't paid more for winning than they are for losing. Hell, they don't even get paid to know the rules.

There's a few guys who are pretty close to retirement and may not want the cushy media job Hugh has. I could see Runyan doing an interview about the Reid kids doing lines off Reno Mahe's back in the locker room.

[Eagaholic]

law of averages says AR will be replaced shortly (bad news is he will probably stay on as GM which, unlike game day coaching, he could do from a ventilator).

Replacing losing Super Bowl coaches: the longitudinal record
by TGryn, originally written Nov 3 2005

Of the 19 losing Super Bowl coaches who were fired or replaced before winning the Super Bowl with the same team, here's the success record for the coaches who succeeded them:

* 2002 Oakland: Callahan fired in 2004, replaced by Turner. No playoff appearances yet. (UPDATE 11/07 - Turner fired
after '05, no playoff appearances, replaced by Shell)
* 2001 St. Louis: Martz fired in 2005, replaced by Vitt (interim) then Linehan. No playoff appearances yet. 
* 2000 Giants: Fassel fired in 2004, replaced by Coughlin. No playoff appearances yet. (UPDATE 2/08 - 3 playoff
appearances, WON Super Bowl in 2007)
* 1999 Atlanta: Reeves fired in 2004, replaced by Mora, Jr. 1 playoff appearance, no Super Bowls yet.
(UPDATE 11/07 - Mora Jr. fired after '06, replaced by Petrino)
* 1998 Green Bay: Holmgren moved on to Seattle in 1999. Rhodes hired in 1999, fired in 2000, replaced by Sherman.
* 1996 New England: Parcells replaced by Carroll in 1997. 2 playoff appearances in 3 years, no Super Bowls, replaced by
Belichick in 2000.
* 1994 San Diego: Ross fired in 1997, replaced by Gilbride, no playoff appearances in 2 years, replaced by Riley in 1999.
* 1990-1993 Buffalo: Levy fired in 1998, replaced by Phillips. 2 playoff appearances in 3 years, no Super Bowls, replaced by Williams in 2001.
* 1986, 1987, 1989 Denver: Reeves replaced by Phillips in 1993, no playoff appearances in 2 years, replaced by Shanahan in 1995.
* 1988 Cincinnati: Wyche replaced by D. Shula in 1992. No playoff appearances in 4 seasons, replaced by Coslet in 1996.
* 1985 New England: Berry replaced by Rust in 1990. Rust fired in 1991, replaced by McPherson.
* 1982, 1984 Miami: Shula replaced by Johnson in 1995. 3 playoff appearances in 4 years, no Super Bowls, replaced by Wannstadt in 2000.
* 1981 Cincinnati: Gregg replaced by Wyche in 1984. Wyche loses Super Bowl in 1988, see above.
* 1980 Eagles: Vermeil replaced by Campbell in 1983. No playoff appearances in 3 seasons, replaced by Ryan in 1986.
* 1979 Rams: Malavasi replaced by Robinson in 1983. 6 playoff appearances in 9 years, 0 Super Bowls, replaced by Knox in 1992.
* 1978 Dallas: Landry replaced by Johnson in 1988, Johnson WINS Super Bowl in 1992.
* 1977 Denver: Miller replaced by Reeves in 1981. Reeves 8 playoff appearances in 12 years, 3 Super Bowl losses, replaced by Phillips in 1993.
* 1969, 1973, 1974, 1976 Minnesota: Grant replaced by Steckel in 1984. Steckel fired in 1985, replaced by Grant.
* 1972 Washington: Allen replaced by Pardee in 1978, no playoff appearances in 3 years, replaced by Gibbs in 1980.
* 1968 Baltimore: Shula replaced by McCafferty in 1970, McCafferty WINS Super Bowl in 1970.


Trends

- The average time between losing a Super Bowl and being fired/replaced is 4.4 years. If you throw out the "legends"
Landry and Shula (w/ Mia), the number shrinks to 3.9 years. That's about the right timespan for the veterans on the
SB team to really begin to decline from age.

- As of the end of 2007, 9 out of 19 (47%) of coaches who replaced losing Super Bowl coaches didn't even make the
playoffs during their tenure. Of the other 10, five - McCafferty, Wyche, Reeves, J. Johnson, and Coughlin - made it
to the Super Bowl, and only McCafferty, Johnson, and Coughlin won it. That's a success rate of 16% if the goal is to
replace a SB loser with a SB winner.

- 4 Super Bowl losers eventually won it later with the same team: Stram (L '66, W '69), Madden (L '67, W '76),
Landry (L '70, W '71; L '75, W '77), and Shula (L '71, W '72).

Sources:
http://www.nfl.com/superbowl/history
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/

http://home.comcast.net/~tdgryn/repllosingSBcoach.txt

the link is from one of Bryce Johnston's pages

edit: so it looks like no SB losing coach has come back to win it with the same team in the last 30 years. no excuse to not have gotten rid of AR a couple of years ago.

[Cerevant]

Cowher lost the Super Bowl in 1995, won it in 2005.

6 more years people.  I knew that once Cowher and Dungy won Super Bowls that we'd never get rid of Reid.

[Zanshin]

I don't hate Reid...but the Franchise needs some fresh air.

[Tomahawk]

Seriously? Do you mean you don't hate him as a person or as a coach?

[rjs246]

Either way, Z is wrong not to hate him.

[ice grillin you]

christ his own sons hate him