Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[rjs246]

He's actually almost identical to McGovern in a lot of ways. He has a couple of major differences in that he is far more polished and has that intangible potential for greatness that McGovern lacked, but his grassroots appeal and his quest to change the way politics are handled in washington are basically exactly the same. (i'm clearly not talking about political issues here since the issues in '72 and '08 are fairly different...)

[Rome]

the only thing that is similar between the two is the support obama is receiving from the younger voters and minorities.  mcgovern cleaned up in 1972 in those two areas, but that's all he cleaned up on.  plus he was going up against a fairly popular incumbent and had the misfortune of selecting a running mate who was a mental patient.  i don't think obama will be that stupid or even close to it.  in fact, i think his running mate will be a nice, safe conservative democrat from the south.

obama's message will broaden as the nomination process comes to a close and he'll begin reaching out to so-called reagan democrats. 

[rjs246]

Nixon wasn't exacly the most popular president.

Anyway, the grassroots, young and minority voters, let's-change-the-way-things-work, pissing off the Democratic party machine, nature of their campaigns were almost identical. He picked an awful running mate and never recovered from the fact that he chosen partner had been to the loony bin, but their capmaigns at the base were very similar.

We're saying the same thing. Shut up.

[fansince61]

chosen partner had been to the loony bin,

I'll bet most loony bin residents would do better than what we have now.  Remember...their not in there because their stupid

[rjs246]

Remember...their not in there because their stupid

My brain just exploded.

[phattymatty]

the ironing is delicious.

[Rome]

The Eagles should trade Lito Sheppard.

No they shouldn't!

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Did Hillary actually win Indiana?

[Cerevant]

She won by 2%, but the media are treating it as a loss - something I never would have predicted.  All the headlines are about how she needs to step down - a complete 180 from PA.

Another interesting thought, is that Hillary's numbers have never moved - sure, there are some deviations by up to 5%, but look at the overall trend:


Obama's meteoric rise has been entirely on the backs of those who never supported Hillary.  Since he caught up, there have been little or no defections.  Both bases appear extrememly loyal.

[PhillyGirl]

There is something I don't understand.

Why is Obama still considered this elistist snob who can only get the wealthy voters and Hillary is the one who pulls in the blue collar factor working type? When she's the elitist snob and he was the guy that was raised poor and knows what it was like to be a blue collar worker?

[Cerevant]

I hate to channel IGY here, but the fact is that blue collar folk are more likely to be racist.  This is why I think a Obama/Hillary ticket could be a disaster.  Obama needs a white guy to stand behind him - I'm thinking Edwards is the no-brainer here, but I don't know much about who the other options might be.

[ice grillin you]

its also because hillary is a superb politician who has framed obama beautifully as an elitist....his comments in sf certainly helped her as well


i dont know about edwards...only because hes a southerner and the states barry has to improve in are not in the south...he needs help in pa oh colorado missouri...yes edwards is a populist and a huge advocate for the poor and working class but he also will be seen as a ambulance chasing pretty boy from the south by alot of the rust belt working class types

[fansince61]

so you have no idea if he will be incompetant yet you just posted he would be incompetant??

What I was trying to say was that I don't know much about Obama.  Hillary has more "history" -  Both good and bad but she is more "predictable".  Like Bill in welfare reform, he didn't want to signed it but did when his career was on the line. 

[Cerevant]

I don't know about the south - NC, SC, FL, TX and NM are currently in play.

I'm not sure about Edwards either, since most of Obama's support came at his expense - will he really gain anything.  It will be interesting to see what they come up with.

On another note...

From what I'm reading, I'm getting the impression that Hillary won't drop out even if she knows that she's done.  Even if she is behind Obama, dropping out now could hurt him since he would still probably lose WV and KY to someone who is no longer in the race.  Instead it looks like she'll finish out the race with neither of them attacking the other, but both focusing on McCain.  Then she'll step down within a week or two of the last primary.

If she pushes it to the convention, it could effectively end her political career.  If she finds a way to bow out gracefully, she'd probably get a lot of support to be senate majority leader if she isn't interested in the VP slot.

[Rome]

Hillary has been at the forefront of the Washington power elite since 1992, yet she insists that Obama is the elitist.  The fact that there is a large segment of chromosomally challenged voters out there who actually buy that steaming pile of horseshtein is a testament to the incredible ignorance of the population at large.