2008 Point & Laugh at the skins thread

[Geowhizzer]

I can agree with borderline.  Monk was not a top-tier HOFer like Jerry Rice, but there are many others already in the Hall with lesser credentials as well.

But to call it a joke is just IGY being a drama queen.  Again.

[rjs246]

Jack Morris belongs in the hall.

[Geowhizzer]

Jack Morris belongs in the hall.

So does Bert Blyleven.  And Boston favorite Jim Rice.

[SD_Eagle5]

lets not forget Fred Lynn

[Geowhizzer]

lets not forget Fred Lynn

Let's not get crazy now.

[ice grillin you]

you dont get elected to the hall of fame because your teammates werent great...otherwise lets put in mike quick

Maybe not, but when he puts in HOF-type numbers, it's even more amazing considering who he had throwing to him.

youre confusing me saying he was a joke as player versus a joke hall of famer...the latter is true...the hof should be reserved for the very very best and everyone else is a joke if they get in....thats the whole point of a hof...i hold my hof standards as high as can be and they should not acceot anything less than pure greatness

[QB Eagles]

Check it out while it lasts, the Pro Football HOF lists Cris Carter as a Hall of Famer... even they can't believe Monk got in over him. They've got Derrick Thomas on there too. Their webmaster has better taste than their actual voters.

[Father Demon]

you dont get elected to the hall of fame because your teammates werent great...otherwise lets put in mike quick

Maybe not, but when he puts in HOF-type numbers, it's even more amazing considering who he had throwing to him.

youre confusing me saying he was a joke as player versus a joke hall of famer...the latter is true...the hof should be reserved for the very very best and everyone else is a joke if they get in....thats the whole point of a hof...i hold my hof standards as high as can be and they should not acceot anything less than pure greatness

What's even more of a joke is that you have "hof standards as high as can be" for something that doesn't affect you one iota more than my three year old daughter, and it's worth arguing about.  Kinda pathetic. 

I should point out that those arguing for him being worthy (and not just attacking IGY because he is IGY) also have exactly as much invested.  farg it.

[Geowhizzer]

you dont get elected to the hall of fame because your teammates werent great...otherwise lets put in mike quick

Maybe not, but when he puts in HOF-type numbers, it's even more amazing considering who he had throwing to him.

youre confusing me saying he was a joke as player versus a joke hall of famer...the latter is true...the hof should be reserved for the very very best and everyone else is a joke if they get in....thats the whole point of a hof...i hold my hof standards as high as can be and they should not acceot anything less than pure greatness

What's even more of a joke is that you have "hof standards as high as can be" for something that doesn't affect you one iota more than my three year old daughter, and it's worth arguing about.  Kinda pathetic. 

I should point out that those arguing for him being worthy (and not just attacking IGY because he is IGY) also have exactly as much invested.  farg it.

I was long in bed and asleep by the the time you came in with your fatherly advice, Mr. Cunningham. 

[ice grillin you]

you dont get elected to the hall of fame because your teammates werent great...otherwise lets put in mike quick

Maybe not, but when he puts in HOF-type numbers, it's even more amazing considering who he had throwing to him.

youre confusing me saying he was a joke as player versus a joke hall of famer...the latter is true...the hof should be reserved for the very very best and everyone else is a joke if they get in....thats the whole point of a hof...i hold my hof standards as high as can be and they should not acceot anything less than pure greatness

What's even more of a joke is that you have "hof standards as high as can be" for something that doesn't affect you one iota more than my three year old daughter, and it's worth arguing about.  Kinda pathetic. 

I should point out that those arguing for him being worthy (and not just attacking IGY because he is IGY) also have exactly as much invested.  farg it.

angry and drunk doesnt suit you...kudos on proper spelling and punctuation tho

[Rome]

Hahaha.

[shorebird]

I will say Monk's numbers are borderline, but anyone who says he shouldn't be in the HOF might not be old enough to have seen him play his whole career. I watched him beat the Eagles on more than one occasion. It seemed like every time Washington needed a 1st down on third and long, or a TD late in the game, it was Monk who was catching those passes. He would get so wide open it was almost like he wasnt' even being covered. Hence his nickname, 'Old Reliable'. At the time of his retirement, he led the league in just about every receiving catagory there is. Like rjs said, he was the glue that held those Wasington teams together. Back when the NFC was playing smash mouth football, with Riggin's running behind Joe Jacoby, Monk was still making great plays on a team that was built for the run.

[Wingspan]

he has those numbers cause he played 1000 years

he had good numbers for a long time...good doesnt get you in the hof...great (or whatever comes after great) gets you in...and outside of one year art monk was never that

again he played for that many seasons and only had 63 touchdowns

he made three pro bowls in 16 years

he finished in the top 5 in receptions three times in 16 years

he never had double figures in touchdowns even once

he had more than 75 catches three times in 16 years

its not really even an argument and the voters themselves know this...which is why they had to wait over a decade for a year as weak as this one to put him in...and like i said even at that he only made it cause four guys HAVE to make it every year

This may be the only time I have ever agreed with you.

Art Monk in the HOF is a joke...and to solidify that, he should go into the Hall as an Eagle

[Sgt PSN]

Art Monk in the HOF is a joke...

Arguments can and are being made on both sides so I don't think his election to the HOF is a joke.  Personally, I'm glad to see him get in but I can certainly understand the arguments as to why he shouldn't be there.  I look at like this though:

1.  He played 15 years in the NFL which is hard enough as it is.  And he played 15 years during an era when there weren't as many rules in place to protect players.  The equipments wasn't as good as it is today and the hits were more brutal.   Durability is one of the many aspects you should take into consideration. 

2.  (As already stated ad nausium) He played in a less "passy happy" era and played on a team that heavily favored the run.  And when he retired he held the record for career receptions.  He also lost a year and some change worth of games in his career due to player strikes that undoubtedly affected his numbers.

3.  As already stated, he had no stability at QB through much of his career.  Nearly all HOF recievers have had only 1 or 2 QB's throwing them the ball during their careers.  Not to mention that most HOF recievers probably had some darn good QB's throwing the ball to them.  Monk mostly had a bunch of journeyman type players chucking him the ball. 

Admittedly, my pro-Monk argument is a bit hypocritical because I'm normally an advocate of a player needing to be among the greatest players of his generation more so than being compared to players already in the Hall.  And Monk was rarely at the top of the list stat-wise when compared to his peers.  But I also do believe that durability and sustained performance should also be looked at as well and few players, especially recievers have ever been as steady or consistant for as long as Monk.  That's what makes him a HOF'er in my opinion. 

and to solidify that, he should go into the Hall as an Eagle

I don't care who are, that's funny. 

[ice grillin you]

i just dont think its to much to ask someone to at least be the best wr on their team in order to make the HOF