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Feva

QuoteI should also inform you that I do not have a wife.  No need to worry though as I'm sure we'll get by just fine.  But I'm going to need you to start surfing the web so that you can learn about domestic chores like cooking, sewing and "deep throating it balls deep."  This will make up a good majority of your daily routine.  I can't wait to get you here so that I can introduce you to some of our wonderful American customs and traditions like tea bagging, mushroom stamping and atm.  You're going to love it here.

Good shtein, Sassy...  :-D
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Seabiscuit36

Quote from: Father Demon on May 08, 2007, 03:56:06 PM
Quote from: Phanatic on May 08, 2007, 03:36:34 PM
Quote from: Father Demon on May 08, 2007, 03:12:43 PM
Quote from: SunMo on May 08, 2007, 02:54:22 PM
Investigators say the suspects planned to use automatic weapons to storm the base and kill solders. The men were lured into a secret meeting to purchase AK-47s from an arms dealer, who was secretly cooperating with the FBI.

WTF kind of reporting is that?  I hate opinions mixed in as if it were part of the real story.

What's wrong with that sentence?

It makes them sound as if they were victims, that were entrapped into the meeting. 
QuoteRole of 'Fort Dix Six' snitch raises entrapment issue

CHERRY HILL, New Jersey (AP) -- He railed against the United States.

And then he helped scout out military installations for attack, offered to introduce his comrades to an arms dealer, and gave them a list of weapons he could procure, including machine guns and rocket-propelled grenades.

These were not the actions of a terrorist, but of a paid FBI informant who helped bring down an alleged plot by six Muslim men to massacre U.S. soldiers at New Jersey's Fort Dix.

The informant's role raises questions of whether the government crossed the line and pushed the six men down a path they would not have otherwise followed. (Watch how the suspects' trip to a video store led to the arrest)

It is an argument -- entrapment -- that has been made in other terrorism cases, and one that has failed miserably in this post-September 11 era. It could resurface today when six Muslim men suspected of plotting to massacre U.S. soldiers at Fort Dix appear in federal court Friday morning for a bail hearing.

One defense attorney on the case, Troy Archie, said no decision has been made on whether to argue entrapment, but based on the FBI's own account, "the guys sort of led them on."

Rocco Cipparone, a lawyer for another one of the defendants, said he will take a hard look at "the role of paid informants and how aggressive they were in potentially prodding or moving things along."

The Fort Dix Six were arrested earlier this week after a 15-month FBI investigation that relied heavily on two paid informants who secretly recorded meetings and telephone conversations in which the suspects talked of killing "in the name of Allah." (Watch prosecutor describe the "Fort Dix Six" as would-be terrorists)

U.S. Attorney Christopher Christie defended the government's handling of the case. He and the FBI portrayed the defendants as Muslim fanatics who were nearly ready to strike. They were arrested Monday night during what the FBI said was an attempt to buy AK-47 machine guns, M-16s and other weapons.

Held without bail
The government will argue incourt today that the men, all born outside the United States, pose a flight risk and should be held without bail. They are being held at a federal detention center in Philadelphia.

Former FBI agent Kevin Barrows said prosecutors appeared to have done things right.

"They corroborated with surveillance, and they had a gun buy set up," Barrows said. "That further solidified the case, as opposed to it just being a tape of somebody saying, `Yeah, I want to buy guns.' They worked this for a long time and the evidence seems really, really solid."

Prosecutors portrayed the six -- Serdar Tatar, 23; Agron Abdullahu, 24; Mohamad Ibrahim Shnewer, 22; Dritan "Anthony" or "Tony" Duka, 28; Shain Duka, 26; and Eljvir "Elvis" Duka, 23 -- as driven by hatred of America, a description disputed by relatives and acquaintances.

"I never in my wildest dreams imagined what they've been accused of," said Ismail Badat, trustee of the Islamic Center of South Jersey in Palmyra, where the Duka brothers worshipped.

The same documents that prosecutors used to build a case against the suspects also depict them as somewhat disorganized, lackluster plotters. And clumsy and amateurish, too: The FBI learned of the alleged plot when the men went to a Circuit City store and asked a clerk to transfer a jihad training video of themselves onto a DVD. Also, they mistakenly thought an AK-47 costs $500, instead of $1,500 to $3,000.

Also, one of the men, Tatar, called a Philadelphia police officer in November, saying that he had been approached by someone who was pressuring him to obtain a map of Fort Dix, and that he feared the incident was terrorist-related, according to court documents.

Entrapment could be a defense
"It could be a defense, that he felt he was being pressured to do things and actually called law enforcement to report it," Sohail Mohammed, a lawyer and Muslim community leader in New Jersey who is not involved in the case.

Entrapment occurs when law enforcement officials entice others into committing a crime they otherwise would not have committed. Under the law, people cannot be convicted if they were entrapped. But there is no entrapment if a person is willing to break the law and law officers offer to help.

"If the source talks them into committing a crime, that is entrapment," said retired FBI agent Craig Dotlo, a 32-year veteran. But "if they are predisposed to commit a crime, and you give them the opportunity, that's fine."

Among other things, even before the informant presented the list of weapons he said he could get, Dritan Duka unwittingly asked an undercover federal agent he had seen at a firing range about where he might buy an AK-47 or M-16, according to the FBI.

Archie, the defense attorney, conceded it is difficult to win an entrapment defense. "Basically, if they are just constantly pushing someone to go in a particular direction," he said. "It's just got to be obvious, obvious entrapment for it to fly."

Attorney Henry Klingeman unsuccessfully argued that government agents had entrapped London merchant Hemant Lakhani, convicted in New Jersey in 2005. Lakhani was caught in a sting trying to arrange the sale of at least 50 shoulder-fired missiles for shooting down American airliners. He is serving a 47-year prison sentence.

Tough sell in post 9/11 world
"In the post-9/11 era, the entrapment defense is basically useless," Klingeman said. "For a defendant, merely saying he wishes he could do harm to America, the jury has heard enough."

Entrapment also failed as a defense in the case of Shahwar Matin Siraj, who was convicted in New York City of plotting to blow up the Herald Square subway station in 2003. Authorities had recruited an Egyptian man as an informant.

Siraj's lawyer, Martin R. Stolar, argued at trial that Siraj had no interest in violence until the informant showed him photos of prisoners being abused at Abu Ghraib and told him it was his duty as a Muslim to retaliate. Siraj was found guiity and sentenced to 30 years.

"The government often overreaches in its zeal to give itself a pat on the back," Stolar said. "In my case, my position was that they created the crime in order to solve the crime so that they could then claim a victory in the war on terror."

Vincent Henry, director of the Homeland Security Management Institute at Long Island University and a 21-year veteran of the New York Police Department, said he is convinced that the Fort Dix defendants really were capable of pulling off such an attack.

"I'm sure they were," he said. "The arrests were made as they were on their way to purchase the weapons, or at least some of the weapons. They had seemed to plan it out very, very well."
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PoopyfaceMcGee


Rome

QuoteIt's like, "Hey, ever heard of a little thing called 'resolving issues through unconscious acting-out of a maladaptive fantasy-life manifesting itself through inappropriately weak personal boundaries'?" Hello?

LOL - Good stuff.

Yeti

Damn funny reply Sarge.  Did she email back? 

I gots to know.
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Sgt PSN

Can't check my email from work but I'm hoping to have a reply back from her when I get home. 

mussa

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Father Demon

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Sgt PSN

Today's installment:

QuoteDear Sir,

To be frank with you i did not understand your mail this morning.Can you please let me understand you.
Thanks
Richeal

QuoteOk, wait a minute.  Is your name Richeal or Frank?  You better not be a farging dude ya sick bastich.  Now, allow me to clarify my previous email.  In a nutshell, I plan on making you do a lot of bitch work around the house that I don't like doing.  Then I'm going to turn you into a dirty, cum guzzling gutter slut.  Then, as soon as I have your money, I'm going to inject you with a deadly virus that's going to overrun your immune system and basically eat your body from the inside out.  Oh, and my friend IGY (your husband to be) is going to turn you into a good for nothing hood rat. 

Make sense?  I know it sounds complicated and foreign to you but it's how things are done here in the states.  Try not to worry about that stuff right now though or make sense of it.    Remember....... when in Rome........ 

I've also started looking for a job for you.  There's a man in Los Angeles who makes movies and he's very interested in hiring you for one of his upcoming films.  Just out of curiosity, do you have a gag reflex?  If not, then he'll pay us double. 

Fingers crossed!

By the way, can you actually speak english?  Because I swear if you come over here and start spouting off a series of audible clicks and expect me to know what that means then I'm going to punch you in the face.  Also, you don't have any elephant tusks piercing your nose and your earlobes aren't stretched out to the size of a basketball rim, are they?    For your sake, I hope not because if you think I'm going to spend one single penny of your fortune on cosmetic surgery then you've got another thing coming. 

Well, I hope that clears everything up.  Are you getting excited?  I know I am.  If you have any questions, let me know.  I can't wait to see you!  Until next time.......

Peace bitch!

Dad

Seabiscuit36

"For all the civic slurs, for all the unsavory things said of the Philadelphia fans, also say this: They could teach loyalty to a dog. Their capacity for pain is without limit." -Bill Lyons

Sgt PSN

I don't know about all that.  With my luck, this chick is legit. 

Sgt PSN


General_Failure


The man. The myth. The legend.

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Phanatic

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