Hey Andy Defenders....

Don Ho · January 14, 2007, 08:04:06 PM

listen, i'm so pissed I'll take June Jones!

DH · January 14, 2007, 08:06:03 PM

With or without the lei?

Don Ho · January 14, 2007, 08:08:08 PM

poor chargers are collapsing right before our eyes.

now why didn't Gaffney work for us?

General_Failure · January 14, 2007, 08:11:08 PM

Reid's system is far too complicated for good WRs to understand it.

Don Ho · January 14, 2007, 08:16:35 PM

best therapy today was playing paintball with my son's youth group this morning. awesome stress release. few Coors light after helped as well. i wore my silver McNabb jersey over my long sleeve shirt. people were just taking target practice on me. fricken jersey is covered with paint. everytime i opened fire on someone i thought of 4th and 15.

Don Ho · January 14, 2007, 08:19:40 PM

Chargers boneheaded plays in the fourth quarter = Eagles last 8 minutes last night.

Marty call AR for some advice?

Wow, see LT snap! we need more of that shtein.

Cerevant · January 15, 2007, 10:16:45 AM

Quote from: Die-Hard on January 14, 2007, 07:58:58 PM
Im saying that Im willing to take the worst case scenario in order to get this shtein right for the long term.

I think you overestimate the NFL coaching talent pool. Worst case is another 25 years of coach after coach with a couple years of mediocrity, followed by crash and burn. Let's take a stroll down memory lane:

Marion Cambell 18-29-1, no playoff appearances
Buddy Ryan 42- 35, 0-3 playoffs
Rich Kotite 36-28, 1-1 playoffs
Ray Rhodes 29-34, 1-2 playoffs

Ok, blame the Eagles ownership for those "poor decisions". How many NFL coaches have > 60% winning percentage? How many times has a head coach lost their job after less than 5 years recently? I'm pissed at Andy too, but do you really want a new head coach? Let's look at the NFL coaching hires out there already this year:

Falcons - Bobby Petrino (farging Louisville? Ask Saban & Spurrier about how easy the transition from college to pro is)
Cardinals - Wizenhunt (their second choice, after Mick farging Sherman)
Names being kicked around by other teams - Grimm, Chan Gaily, Mora Jr. ...

Yeah, there is a talent pool I want to tap into. It is so bad that the Giants are going to stick with Coughlin in spite of the fact that the players have gone public with the fact that he has lost the team.

Still, regardless of what any of you think, regardless of what I think, it would be a monumentally stupid business decision for the Eagles to fire Andy Reid. As I pointed out earlier this season, and as was pointed out earlier in this thread - Andy will be here as long as he doesn't have two seasons with a losing record. The only way that won't happen is if the team gets in a rut like the Flyers did for awhile and the fans just don't buy the "next year" line anymore. Screaming fans and media will not get Andy out the door. Lost revenues will.

[For the record: I think Andy has no business being on the field. Let him sit up in the box and look stoic. Anyone catch him getting in an argument with Marty during the Giants game? I think Andy wanted to kick on 3rd down and leave time on the clock for the G-men. Moron.]

ice grillin you · January 15, 2007, 10:41:00 AM

I think you overestimate the NFL coaching talent pool. Worst case is another 25 years of coach after coach with a couple years of mediocrity, followed by crash and burn. Let's take a stroll down memory lane:

Marion Cambell 18-29-1, no playoff appearances
Buddy Ryan 42- 35, 0-3 playoffs
Rich Kotite 36-28, 1-1 playoffs
Ray Rhodes 29-34, 1-2 playoffs

no teams are going 25 years like that in the new nfl...the league was completely different before free agency and its goal for parity...look at the teams that have made the superbowl in the nfc just in the last ten years

lovie smith or sean payton this year
andy reid
john fox
john gruden
dick vermeil
jim fassel

i mean are you kidding me??...you need to come up with something that has more substance than well worst case is 25 years of futility if you fire reid...yiou have nothing to back that up whatsoever...you have no defense of your coaching hero so you are just pulling nonsense out your ass

your coach gave up this weekend...he surrendered before the war was over...it was arguably the worst call in nfl history...that alone is a fireable offense...not to mention his overall inability to coach during games...maybe that doesnt matter as much in the regular season...but in the biggest games against the best teams its something you cant overcome

ive said this for five years now...andy reid should not be a head coach in this league...is he a good person and a smart guy sure...does he have a place in the nfl absolutely....but he should not be in a position of such importance because hes clueless for the most important 60 minutes each week

lapdogs like you will never see this tho and will point to marion cambell or everyones favorite kotite...because rich kotite was once the coach of this team does not mean we should be happy with a subpar coach now just because hes better than kotite...thats unacceptable...

i honestly would rather be zesty for all those years than to be good enough to win but not be able to do it because the coach is brutal when it matters most

ive hurt more in the last six years than i ever did under kotite or campbell

we deserve more...the eagles have been more than good enough to have won a superbowl during this run yet they havent because of the stubborness/incompetance of reid both in the coaching and gm positions...for god sakes the nfc is so awful and they cant even get to more than one superbowl despite having the nfc's best team for the better part of five years...it has to stop

Diomedes · January 15, 2007, 10:45:55 AM

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 15, 2007, 10:41:00 AM
ive hurt more in the last six years than i ever did under kotite or campbell

oh for farg sake

Mad-Lad · January 15, 2007, 10:47:39 AM

it was arguably the worst call in nfl history

You must have missed the "sweet! we won the coin flip in overtime! We'll defend!" call by Marty in his Detroit days.

ice grillin you · January 15, 2007, 10:50:15 AM

hideous call but he was playing a strategy with the wind...at least he was doing what he thought was best for his team to win....he was still trying

reid gave up...literally waved the white flag...threw the towel in the ring on his fighter in the 15th round of a championship fight when he was still swinging...nothing is worse than giving up

PhillyGirl · January 15, 2007, 10:51:58 AM

Quote from: Diomedes on January 15, 2007, 10:45:55 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 15, 2007, 10:41:00 AM
ive hurt more in the last six years than i ever did under kotite or campbell

oh for farg sake

LOL...exactly

ice grillin you · January 15, 2007, 10:53:47 AM

trust me...the pain factor of being at a game or watching it on tv is much higher than experiencing it thru a message board game thread...or runnings errands and getting the score on the espn ticker

Diomedes · January 15, 2007, 10:54:14 AM

oh I'm sure it is crybaby

Cerevant · January 15, 2007, 10:57:09 AM

Jesus - who is on who's Johnson now?

I think Reid is a zesty game-day coach. We've agreed on this point a number of times.

I didn't bring up worst case, I just don't think "a couple years of adjustment" is worst case. Worst case is Detroit, Arizona, Cleveland, Miami, Oakland... And given your love for the current Eagles ownership, can't you make a case for that kind of management ineptitude?

I added the comment above - probably while you were posting - Reid doesn't belong on the sidelines. Period.

Do I want the Eagles to win a Super Bowl? Yes. Do I think Andy Ried hurts their chances of doing that on game day? Yes. Do I think Lurie and Banner will fire him? No farging way in hell.

Something to keep in mind: disagreeing with you (or someone else) does not mean one agrees with "the other side". Just because I think you are talking out your ass, doesn't make me an Eagles lapdog.

Quoteive hurt more in the last six years than i ever did under kotite or campbell

Isn't there a word for that? Band-something?