06/07 Phillies Offseason Thread

[BigEd76]

Zito's lost a foot or two off his fastball.

A slower fastball means a more dominating change-up! [/Boras]

[SunMo]

that doesn't make sense BigEd

[BigEd76]

Neither does losing a foot off of a fastball...

[rjs246]

Your mom went to college.

[Rome]

Non sequiturs involving mom-smack rule all creation.

[MDS]

Whats left:
Barry Bonds--roid head can eat shtein
David Dellucci--option b
JD Drew--go farg yourself
Darin Erstad---no
Steve Finley--no
Cliff Floyd--if this was 4 years ago, maybe
Luis Gonzalez---no
Shea Hillenbrand--hes an icehole
Todd Hollandsworth--he sucks
Gabe Kapler--no
Ryan Klesko--old and injured
Ricky Ledee--sucks
Kenny Lofton--old icehole
Trot Nixon--option a
Jay Payton--no
Dave Roberts--no
Shannon Stewert--good player, but always injured. so no.
Matt Stairs--old and zesty
Daryle Ward--no
Rondell White--no
Eric Young--no

This is sad. Burrell now becomes option C. If they can trade him and sign either of the two guys, then things will be okay.

[Geowhizzer]

I'm not sure how Dellucci can be considered a better option than Burrell.  And I say that not being a fan of Burrell.

Drew is actually the best player available, but all indications are he's going to the Sawx.

[Rome]

I'd rather have Burrell than Soriano at $136M & Lee at $100M.  The Soriano deal was crazy, but the Lee deal was flat-out ridiculous.

As I said in the other thread, I thought the Pierre deal was stupid but Lee @ $100M over six years is nuts.  That deal will destroy Houston's ability to compete for years to come. 

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

The Phillies management can afford a lot more than they pay, so I don't really care how much players cost if they help the team win.  That said - I'd rather they trade for pitching.  Now.  Arms.

[ice grillin you]

The Phillies management can afford a lot more than they pay, so I don't really care how much players cost if they help the team win

exactly

in two years carlos lee will be underpaid

[Rome]

In 10 years, Carlos Lee will still be overpaid.   Why?  Because he's not worth that kind of dough.

I'd rather see them sign Howard & Utley to two $50M contracts today than spend money stupidly on bums like Carlos Lee.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

I agree that Howard and Utley should get some money, but isn't improving the roster a bigger priority than being "fair" to excellent young players already under contract?

[Rome]

Dude, I agree about the pitching.  I wish they could get a 1/2 dozen all-stars on the staff.  The problem is, it's just not feasible at this point for a variety of reasons.

For instance . . .

Pitching is extremely thin at the MLB level.  No one in their right mind would want to pitch at CBP.   The Phillies don't have much to offer by way of trade to get pitching.  Their payroll structure doesn't afford them the flexibility to go out and get whatever they want.

I know it's fashionable to bash the Phillies for being cheap but there are underlying reasons why they don't go out and spend $130M per year on payroll.  The biggest of them are they don't have ownership with deep pockets and the debt they have on the ballpark is enormous.

The bottom line is, the Phillies have assets.  They have guys like Utley & Howard and will have others that need to be taken care of from a financial standpoint in the near future.  If the choices are: (1) Spend $100M on a guy like Lee who clearly doesn't deserve it or (2) get a head start on paying Utley & Howard, I'll take option 2.

[ice grillin you]

romey lee had a monster year last year has had excellent numbers the last four and was one of the top free agents on the market...he got paid what hes worth especially when you consider theres no salary cap in baseball

also to say hes a bum is to show your clear bias towards big contracts to athletes...everytime theres a big deal handed out you act like its the end of the world and use words and phrases like:

"bum"
"destroy for years"
"sheer unadulterated lunacy"
"ha times infinity"

the best free agents every year are going to get a ton of money...i dont know why you act flabbergasted...its been going on since the 70's

if you wanna play you gots to pay...and if you dont then you miss the playoffs 21 out of the last 22 years

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Yeah, but they got to the WORLD SERIES that year!  Holla at David West and Johnny Kruk.