06/07 Phillies Offseason Thread

[Rome]

The contract to Soriano was more than I expected but it was still in the ballpark.

The contracts to Lee, Pierre & Sarge, Jr. were flat-out retarded, IGY.  Personally, I don't give a shtein what they make.  What I care about is the Phillies ability to compete in a league where hundreds of millions of dollars are being handed out to players who simply don't deserve it.

Do you understand that?  Do you get where I'm coming from here?


PS: Would you give $50M each to Utley & Howard now instead of $100M to Carlos Lee?  If you answer "no," I'd love to hear your reasoning.

[ice grillin you]

PS: Would you give $50M each to Utley & Howard now instead of $100M to Carlos Lee?

loaded and disingenuous question...its not an either or scenario and you know this...with all the money coming off the roster on this team they could easily pay lee now and then utley and howard next year and/or the year after

do you not realize theres going to be carlos lees sorianos matthews and pierres every offseason for the rest of time....if they cant get as you say bums like lee signed how are they gonna get the good free agents signed

free agents are gonna get caked off its just the way it is...the phillies can choose to participate or not...but dont for a minute think these are crazy salaries for these guys because its gonna happen all over again next year with a different group of players

[PhillyPhreak54]

The bottom line here is that the Phils need to start getting shtein done.

Its good that Borowski and Baez are still on the market because I hope they sign both, but would be happy with at least one of them. Start focusing on pitching now. Get the bullpen right.

If I were Gillick I would seriously reconsider the stance on Manny Ramirez. Dude's got 2yrs left on his deal and compared to what some of these guys are getting he's cheap.

[MDS]

To take in Manny, they would not need to take on Burrell. Or someone would. All of his contract.

If they Phillies had interest in Manny or thought getting him was realistic, they probably wouldn't have made such a run at Soriano and then Lee. But who knows, that could all be fronts from their real interest in getting Manny. Or I could be diluted into thinking someone at that organization knows what the hell they're doing.

Anyway, the lineup still isn't the concern. Getting rid of Burrell's salary and taking in Trot Nixon wouldn't be horrible. I'd rather get a better SP and add Baez and Borowski.

[PhillyPhreak54]

Trot Nixon is LH and about done as a ball player. I'd rather have Burrell.

[MDS]

I don't know, a platoon of Nixon and Conine in left, with trading most of Burrell's salary could be okay. If they can also trade for Estrada, things could be fairly mediocre 5-8.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

platoon of Nixon and Conine in left

I just threw up in my mouth a little.

[MDS]

Burrell or Nixon and Conine, barring a trade these are the options. Take your pick.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

What are Wes Chamberlain and Jim Eisenreich doing in 2007?

[Rome]

PS: Would you give $50M each to Utley & Howard now instead of $100M to Carlos Lee?

loaded and disingenuous question...its not an either or scenario and you know this...with all the money coming off the roster on this team they could easily pay lee now and then utley and howard next year and/or the year after

do you not realize theres going to be carlos lees sorianos matthews and pierres every offseason for the rest of time....if they cant get as you say bums like lee signed how are they gonna get the good free agents signed

free agents are gonna get caked off its just the way it is...the phillies can choose to participate or not...but dont for a minute think these are crazy salaries for these guys because its gonna happen all over again next year with a different group of players

IGY... maybe you're misunderstanding me a bit.  I don't have a problem with the Phillies overpaying for free agents.  Honestly, they overpaid for Thome and I would still do that deal in a second.

What I have a problem with is them getting involved in the type of insanity that we're seeing here today.  The Soriano deal is the only one I would have been supportive of, and even then, I would have balked over the length of the deal.

Again, I don't care what they make.  I'm not paying their salaries.  But in a general sense, I care HOW the Phillies spend their payroll dollars because I want them to put together the best team possible.  Pissing away $100M on a guy like Lee wouldn't be prudent.  Spending $45M on a guy like Pierre would be suicidal.  That's all I'm saying.

[ice grillin you]

have you seen lee's numbers...thats not overpaying for him...thats what the market is for players with big numbers...im not even saying the phillies should have got him..but to call lee a bum and make it sound like he got the worst contract in the history of baseball shows to me that you have a seperate agenda...also i dont think you realize how common a $45 million dollar deal is in baseball...$45 mil is nothing in this day and age even for a player like pierre who if your teams needs what he gives is a great player to have


as for left field anything whether it be platoon or not would be better than burrell...and i would take nixon and conine over him in a heart beat...you cant win with a player like burrell...nixon and conine know how to play the game and play it the right way...plus they can field...do i want them platooning there no but id take them over burrell with the quickness...burrell is worthless as a player

[Eagles_Legendz]

Actually Lee's numbers are comparable to Burrell's and to give him a 6 yr 100 million dollar deal is outrageous. 

[ice grillin you]

lee had like 660 ab's last year and something like 60 strikeouts....burrell in the same amount of ab's would have like 175

burrell hits .250 lee .300

phillies cant give burrell away with two years left on his deal....lee comanded a bidding way for a 5 year deal


they are not comparable players...not even close

beleeee dat!

[mpmcgraw]

And clearly K's are the only thing that determine if players are similiar or not. 

[mpmcgraw]

Burrell's most similiar by age from baseballreference.com

Phil Plantier (972)  2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C
Justin Morneau (955)  2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C
Carlos Lee (941)  2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C
Pete Incaviglia (941)  2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C
Tony Conigliaro (941)  2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C
Gil Hodges (935)  2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C