Obama Continues Bush's Illegal Drone Surveillance

Started by Rome, December 16, 2005, 08:52:30 AM

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LBIggle

he's quite the originator if thats the case.

Rome

More filth comes spewing out.

Anyone who thought Scooter was the end of the line on that business is a dumbass.

Of course his superiors okayed the leaks.

For God's sake, America... wake up!

Geowhizzer

Wasn't sure where to put this, but it's an interesting article.

Bush admits the CIA runs secret prisons

Excerpt:

QuotePresident Bush on Wednesday acknowledged for the first time that the        CIA runs secret prisons overseas and said tough interrogation forced terrorist leaders to reveal plots to attack the United States and its allies.

Diomedes

Of course the U.S. runs secret prisons.  And of course they torture people in those places.  Furthermore, we all know that torture is immoral AND ineffective.
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Geowhizzer

Quote from: Diomedes on September 06, 2006, 08:19:55 PM
Of course the U.S. runs secret prisons.  And of course they torture people in those places.  Furthermore, we all know that torture is immoral AND ineffective.

The U.S doesn't torture.  President Bush says so.

Quote"I want to be absolutely clear with our people, and the world: The United States does not torture," Bush said. "It's against our laws, and it's against our values. I have not authorized it, and I will not authorize it."

See?  :paranoid

Diomedes

No shtein?  I feel so much better now!  Thanks for pointing that out!!
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Geowhizzer

Quote from: Diomedes on September 06, 2006, 08:28:10 PM
No shtein?  I feel so much better now!  Thanks for pointing that out!!

No problem, Dio, glad to be of service...  ;D

On a related note:

Guantanamo now holds top terror suspects

Excerpt:

QuoteThe most notorious terrorism suspects held by the U.S. are now at Guantanamo Bay, kept in windowless cells in the highest security section of the detention center and facing military tribunals that could begin early next year.

Does anyone else see a problem with keeping ALL of the "most nortorious terrorism suspects" in ONE place?


In a span of the last hour, I've read that:
1.  Bush is announcing to the world that the U.S. has been keeping suspects in secret CIA prisons, where guards used "tough interrogation tactics." (Not torture, according to Bush, but the prisons have not been open to inspection.)
2.  The U.S. is now housing ALL (or almost all, anyway) of the suspected top terrorists in the SAME location.
3.  This location is about as close to me as the Georgia border.

Seriously, this crap is starting to scare me mightily.

PS - Here's a bit on the history of Guantonomo.

PoopyfaceMcGee

Quote from: Diomedes on September 06, 2006, 08:19:55 PM
Of course the U.S. runs secret prisons.  And of course they torture people in those places.  Furthermore, we all know that torture is immoral AND ineffective.

Yeah, but it makes the people doing the torturing feel big and strong.

MadMarchHare

I seem to remember the Nazis doing this, and 200 some guys escaping from the internment camp.  Anyone else remember something similar?
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Father Demon

I'd like to point out for the record that I am in favor of torture, because they probably deserve it.  Unless it's bad guys torturing US military, then I'm against it.

I'm also in favor of the merciless killing of bad guys.

I guess that makes me kind of a prick, but I'm OK with that.  I like to keep issues black or white.

More torturing of non-Americans, and more merciless killings of bad guys.
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Geowhizzer

Quote from: MadMarchHare on September 06, 2006, 11:25:53 PM
I seem to remember the Nazis doing this, and 200 some guys escaping from the internment camp.  Anyone else remember something similar?

Since these would be coming from Cuba, I'd wonder if they would be under the "political refugee if they reach land" rule.

Seabiscuit36

Demon i second your view.  Im happy we have secret prisons but pissed that reporters have made so many inquiries into the camps and their existence. 
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Butchers Bill

We had this discussion before.  Torture can be defined many ways.

Cutting fingers/toes off is torture. 

Playing AC/DC really loud is not torture.

To some, the US "tortures" because we play good loud music.
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They probably play loud bad music, too. There's plenty of that.

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