Jaworski is on Eagles live right now talking draft

[ice grillin you]

if they take greenway over sims at 14 they should be shot...the eagles need linebackers period not just a sam....so to me you take the best one and sims>>>>>greenway...greenway is a borderline nfl starting linebacker imo...sims is a potential great one....greenway would be a classic andy pick tho

as for jackson i agree that he can be a possesion guy as well as get downfield but to me he does everything ok but doesnt have the potential to do anything great...ypc is such an overrated and inflated statistic at florida....four catches a game for 150 yards during the first four games of the year vs applaichian st pushes those numbers much higher than they are...last year was a more true indication of jackson...a ton of catches but not for a lot of yards...yes part of this was meyers system but i think thats more what jackson will be in the league...a nice solid #2 or 3 wr...i dont see him as big time playmaker type...i wouldnt hate on the pick if they took him but i think they can do better at 14...or even trading back

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

ge99:  Some good points, and I appreciate it.

However, don't you think the Eagles could surprise you a bit more than you're allowing for?  You're basically completely discounting some positions from the equation, and it would seem you're not realizing that they usually draft for the next year (ie: 2007) and beyond, not only the current year.

Would they want to get a player that can contribute in 2006?  Sure.  But will he be an immediate starter?  Unlikely.

That said, if Dhani is better suited to play MLB, good... because the team needs a backup for Trotter badly.

[goeagles99]

The Eagles do draft for the future.  And that is the right thing to do.  The problem is that even the long term needs are hard to define. 

The Eagles are a fairly young team.  Spots to address for the future:

X rcvr
LDE
DT
MLB
S - maybe
CB - maybe

The problem is trying to figure out who to add at 14. 

Forget about teams, let's be logical about who will likely be on the board.  Here's a list of guys that SHOULD be gone:

Cutler
Leinart
Young
Bush
V. Davis
Ferguson
Justice
Bunkley
Ngata
Hawk
Sims
Huff

That is 12 players.  That would leave us a group of say these 9 guys to look at:

(not in order of interest or grade)

Kamerion Wimbley
Mathias Kiwanuka
Chad Greenway
Tye Hill
Jonathan Joseph
Jimmy Williams
Deangelo Williams
Santonio Holmes
Chad Jackson


There are a couple of other guys who the Eagles could have rated higher than me:

Manny Lawson
D'Qwell Jackson
Nick Mangold
Bobby Carpenter


So which of those players is a combination of good value at #14 and fits our long or short term needs?  Virtually none of those guys. 

We have to hope that a CB, LB and/or RB possibly jumps up ahead of us and pushes down another player. 

I think trading down is the way to go.  The best value would be at CB.  The problem is that we already have two good CBs that are in their prime.  We added Sheldon and Lito when Bobby and Troy were older guys on the way out.  That isn't the case this time around.  We could draft a CB with the thought of Sheldon moving to FS in the future.  I'd have no problems with that.  I just don't know if you can invest a 1st Rd pick into a non-starter (#3 CB). 

@ Ernie Sims is a tough guy for me to rate.  He is an explosive, fluid athlete.  He is a rugged, violent SOB (great compliment to a LB).  However, he's not a huge playmaker.  Phil Savage mentioned in an interview that he considered Ernie an ILB prospect for the Browns.  I think he could play MLB, but would need to add a few lbs.  Also, there are character questions.  He was arrested for Domestic Battery and Resisting Arrest last summer.  Ernie is a violent player on the field.  Can he control that off the field?  Was it a one time incident or was it the only time she called the cops on him? 

Plus, who is the last good football player named Ernie? 


@ Chad Jackson I like for the WCO for a few reasons.  First, I like the size/speed numbers.  You cannot create size or speed.  You have it or you don't.  Second, he played this year in Urban Meyer's "small ball" attack.  Chad didn't complain.  He caught a lot of passes, but it had to be frustrating to have literally 60% of the catches within 5 yds of the LOS.  He took a pounding from DBs and LBs.  Urban didn't account for SEC athletes being able to shut down his passing attack.  They did.  Utah's top 2 WRs combined to average over 14 ypc and had 23 TD receptions in 2004.  The top 2 guys at Florida avgd 11.4 a catch and had 14 TDs.  Urban has to adjust his offense.  It worked like a charm in the MAC and MWC, but the SEC features the best defenses in the country.  He was able to catch those short passes and take the beating and keep on playing.  One of our biggest complaints with Pinky is his lack of toughness.  That isn't an issue with Chad. 

Chad does have RAC skills, a must for a WCO WR.  He's got okay quickness.  He can be elusive and make the first defender miss. 

I watched him run right by a FSU CB last night.  The ball was terribly underthrown.  Chad slammed on the brakes and leapt up to make a play on the ball.  That shows you that he's got good awareness and sees the ball well.  The pass was so poorly thrown that he wasn't able to bring the ball in.  He gave a terrific effort though.  He was trying to keep it alive as he fell to the ground. 

Is he a polished route runner with soft, natural hands?  No.  Go get Jason Avant or Mike Hass if that is who you want.  Chad does have big hands.  He's also got long arms.  You can work with him on catching the ball better.  That is a learned skill. 

I don't want it to sound like I think this kid is a slam dunk, awesome prospect.  He's not.  However, Jaws and Co. sounded overly harsh on the kid yesterday.  It wouldn't shock me to see him last to the 2nd Rd. 

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Chad Jackson at #45 I love.  Chad Jackson at #14 throws up warning flags.

[hbionic]

I'm a little surprised he hasn't been referred to by that nickname much.

Everytime we talk it's "Hey Scrap iron, how you doing?" and he's always like, "Pretty good, master of all things cool and big-titted."

[NGM]

Chad Jackson at #45 I love.  Chad Jackson at #14 throws up warning flags.

I have to wonder why you (and some others) think that way.  I am really not against the Eagles taking Jackson at 14 at all.  There are other players I would prefer they get but it seems unlikely that these players will last to the 14 spot.  So why not take a shot at him?  Most of my reasoning for this the significant drop after Holmes and Jackson.  And to me WR is almost as bad a need as DT or SAM. 

[ice grillin you]

wide receiver is a far bigger need than dt...their number one pick last year was a dt...either he was a bad pick or the position cant be the biggest need on the team

wr and lb/sam i totally agree on...and the reason i dont want jackson is because sims is a much better lb than jackson is a wr...i also think jackson and holmes are being elevated higher than they should be because its not a deep wr class..just because the second round wideouts suck doesnt mean jackson should go at 14...thats not a reason to take someone

i agree with lawler in that a trade downn is the way to go

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

wide receiver is a far bigger need than dt...their number one pick last year was a dt...either he was a bad pick or the position cant be the biggest need on the team

That's kind of silly when you consider that Reggie Brown was taken only 4 picks after Patterson, though.

[NGM]

I see Sims as another WIL, which is about the last thing the Eagles need.  I think most of your points are good ones and I would not be at all adverse to the Eagles trading down.  But if they did go with Jackson I wouldn't be upset as some of may be. 

[Philly_Crew]

wide receiver is a far bigger need than dt...their number one pick last year was a dt...either he was a bad pick or the position cant be the biggest need on the team

wr and lb/sam i totally agree on...and the reason i dont want jackson is because sims is a much better lb than jackson is a wr...i also think jackson and holmes are being elevated higher than they should be because its not a deep wr class..just because the second round wideouts suck doesnt mean jackson should go at 14...thats not a reason to take someone

i agree with lawler in that a trade downn is the way to go

FF put it nicely and I just don't see the logic.  Controlling the line of scrimmage was brutal last year and Patterson can only play one of the two DT positions.  Unless you have a lot more faith in Darwin Walker than I do.  I would be happy with either Greenway or Sims in the first round.

[ice grillin you]

dt = 2 spots and one was filled last year by their #1 pick (yeah i know they have a rotation but thats their fault...most teams play the first two guys far more than the third and fourth guys)

wr = 3 or 4 spots a lot of times all at once and we dont need to go into the fact that the eagle throw the ball more than anyone in the nfl

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

dt = 2 spots and one was filled last year by their #1 pick (yeah i know they have a rotation but thats their fault...most teams play the first two guys far more than the third and fourth guys)

wr = 3 or 4 spots a lot of times all at once and we dont need to go into the fact that the eagle throw the ball more than anyone in the nfl

The way you discounted the idea of the DT rotation was as quick as it was meaningless.  The Eagles will carry/use 4-5 WR's and they will carry/use 4-5 DT's.  Both positions definitely need help.  My only contention is that the Eagles are much more likely to find value at DT in the late rounds in general... but the top-end talent at WR this year is pretty damn questionable too.

[ice grillin you]

But if they did go with Jackson I wouldn't be upset as some of may be.

i wouldnt head butt the television or anything i just think there are better options...if they took jackson id support the pick 

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Whoever the pick is, I'll support him and continue to cheer for the team.

I'll just hope I'm wrong if it's a guy I don't like.

[ice grillin you]

Whoever the pick is, I'll support him

chad greenway thanks you

and continue to cheer for the team

lol...i wasnt talking about rooting for the team...im saying there are some picks that id rip them for...jackson is not one of those picks...anyway its real hard to say now as the quality of a pick depends a lot on who was also available at the time...if huff dropped to 14 and they took jackson it would be ON