Why Peyton Is A Fraud

[PhillyPhreak54]

why did mcnabb's name get brought up in this thread anyway?  it has nothing to do with him.

back to the original topic...manning seems to be getting buried in the media for his post-game comments...and deservingly so.

I brought McNabb up because unlike Peyton, he is not bulletproof when the Eagles lose. Hell, McNabb is shtein on when they don't win convincingly enough. But you won't hear anyone diss the great Peyton for his play on the field because he puts up numbers.

[bobbyinlondon]

Going back to college, Manning has never won a big game. While Tennessee and Florida were always neck and neck for the SEC championship, Florida was 4-0 vs Manning. They year after Manning left, Tennessee won the national championship with Tee Martin at QB.

This was supposed to be "their year". 13-0 to start out with, never having to leave the dome (therefore no weather excuses), all of the offensive weapons in the world, a supposedly improved defense. I can't ever recall McNabb starting a playoff game 2-9 for 24 yards.

I would like to add that this also demonstrates the difference between Dungy and Reid. The Eagles rested almost all of their starters after the 14th game last season, when they clinched HFA, and a month later, the defense was pumped and they got out to a 14-0 lead on the Vikings. The Colts came out flat, didn't look liked they were on the same page. That, comes down to coaching. I mean, if you can't get fired up when your nemesis gets put out of the playoffs THE DAY BEFORE YOU PLAY, when can you?

[phillymic2000]

they do run it up in the playoffs...in the last three years hes put up over 40 pts twice and over 35 three times...he just doesnt do it against superior teams such as new england and pittsburgh

and in those cases he has come up short...but lets not compare mcnabb to him

as for blasting away at peyton in general...fire in the hole...

Pittsburgh is the 6th seed last time I checked, hardly superior.

[BigEd76]

would you trade mcnabb for manning straight up right now???

Cataldi said this morning that he'd do it every time because "Manning has a better chance of leading you to a Super Bowl"... 

[PhillyPhreak54]

And that is why Cataldi shouldn't have his own show.

He was calling Troy Polamalu "Troy Molamolu" earlier when I was on my way to the eye doc.

Can't get names right and doesn't have a clue.

I went back to Czaban's show on 950 with a quickness and listened to the commercials after tha.

[PhillyPhreak54]

ANother thing that drove me nuts about Manning...when he waved off the punt team yesterday. did you see the look on Dungy's face when Peyton decided to undermine his HC right there on the field? He looked good because he converted it, but what if he misses it? Then he puts Dungy is a bad spot.

[MURP]

-  Colts Oline was terrible
-  Manning wasnt smart to call them out post game
-  Manning choked
-  better yet, Elisha Manning sucks, ha.

[Mad-Lad]

I prefer to call him "Big Game" Manning.  He looked pretty bad yesterday, but you have to give the Steelers D some props.   The front seven were awesome yesterday.

[ice grillin you]

why did mcnabb's name get brought up in this thread anyway?  it has nothing to do with him

because its a way to defend their own qb's shortcoming by bashing a superior guy...if we can call manning a choker and a bum overrated ect ect ect...then that by default makes mcnabb better


as far as the weapons go im not going to ever sit here and say the colts dont have better options...but how do we know reggie wayne isnt a good wr because of manning...lets see what happens when he leaves this offseason how he does

to me they have better weapons because they have a superior qb in a classic pro set offense suited to him perfectly...where as andy has an innaccurate mobile qb playing in a ridiculous west coast scheme


here is a comment I know we'd here a million times, "The team almost won DESPITE McNabb's throw. That SHOULD have been an INT. He did his best to lose us the game but we almost won it anyway."

truth be told if mcnabb was going against that pitt defense...i dont see him even being in the game to begin with...we saw what happened in pittsburgh last year...mcnabb can play a decent game against the minnesota and atlantas of the world but when playing against teams as good or almost as good he does not rise to the occasion...

hes played 12 playoff games and threw for under 200 yards in HALF OF THEM...and lets not even look at the biggest games...the championships and superbowl...in the divisional round against weak playoff teams he does ok...beyond that forgget it...you better hope your d comes up huge and puts some points on the board cause mcnabb is not going to win the game for you

[PhillyPhreak54]

IGY,

I don't bash Peyton to make McNabb look better. The first reason I bash him is I flat out don't like the guy. He is a fraud in my opinion. But what really bothers me is how bulletproof he is to some. But McNabb takes shot after shot after shot without even having half of the weapons that Peyton has.

I'm not saying McNabb is blame-free here. He deserves to take his shots. But he takes way too many of them.

Peyton has no trouble beatin down those AFC squads in the regular season. But when the playoffs arrive he stinks.

If that was Donovan out there yesterday he'd be getting blasted today. Peyton is taking shots but only for his post game comments. Some are laying the blame on the kicker. But if Akers misses that it is Donovan's fault for not having them in the lead earlier. And some blame the Colts OL. But if that is McNabb it is his fault for taking those sacks.

[PhillyPhreak54]

Also,

I agree with you on we have to wait and see how Wayne is out of Indy. That is one reason why I am a little reluctant to spend fat to bring him here. I see shades of Peerless Price. He very well could be a stud, but at the cost to bring him here if he shteins the bed then it is an expensive mistake.

And there is no way you can say that McNabb wouldn't have been in that game yesterday just because th Eagles looked like ass last year in Pittsburgh. That is crazy stuff.

[SunMo]

Phreak,

when you talk about taking shots and getting blasted, are you talking nationally or locally?  Because locally, I agree with you, Donovan would be getting killed after a performance like that yesterday, so would Reid, as should both Peyton and Dungy.  But how do you know they aren't getting killed in Indy on the radio and in the papers? 

If you are talking nationally, I don't think Donovan takes many shots.  I think he gets treated similar to Peyton on a national scale.

[PhillyPhreak54]

Mostly locally. Because McNabb is still held in high regard by many national writers and broadcasters. Listening to them say how McNabb'll bounce back versus the garbage that is spewed here on how he;s done and the Eagles are done is night and day different.

But when I listen to ESPN or read some other sites Peyton is a guy who can do no wrong. And they pimp the Manning family like they invented the QB position. I hate that. I would prefer to see them be straight and say the dude sucked when he sucked. I don't mind saying when McNabb stinks. But a lot of the people locally blame McNabb for everything and anything because "he should be a better leader" and every other asinine shot he takes.

We hear how people would love to have almost every other NFL starting QB rather than McNabb. But when those other QBs who people routinely say they'd take over McNabb play like shtein they never take notice. But as soon as the Eagles lose it is all on McNabb. That bothers me.

[MadMarchHare]

Limbaugh comes to mind.....
So does that idiot Hodge.

He takes plenty of pot shots.  My real problem is that he takes pot shots for stupid shtein, like playing to "white" and being pumped up so a black QB can succeed.  That's the stuff that infuriates me.  Hittin' him for his play is one thing.

[ice grillin you]

yesterday manning was under ridiculous pressure and still threw for almost 300 without a pick...mcnabb in the same situation would have gone for like 160 and at least a couple picks

and sun makes a good point...mcnabb gets slurped by the national media...he gets criticized here..a lot of times over the top...but thats what philly is...hes not the first and hes far from the last athlete in the city that will get the same...guess what...buck up...win a championship...and you wont have to worry about it

look i depsie manning as much as anyone...i hate them all in fact...the guy is a pompous silver spoon daddys boy...but hes a much better qb than mcnabb...i mean come on