Heckert Promoted to Eagles GM

Started by Beermonkey, January 02, 2006, 07:56:18 PM

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Rome

Quote from: timone96 on January 03, 2006, 01:00:45 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on January 03, 2006, 12:59:37 PM
What the hell are you doing here?  ;D

I've been lurking here for over a year  now.   ;)

Have you been naked the whole time?

;)

timone96

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 03, 2006, 01:03:51 PM
let AR focus on the coaching

is this really a good thing?

Maybe?

Perhaps he'll be able to figure the whole thing out...you know, the glaring weaknesses we all see every week.  I still don't like him playcalling, but you never know, he might be able to figure that one out, too!

timone96

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 03, 2006, 01:05:00 PM
Quote from: timone96 on January 03, 2006, 01:00:45 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on January 03, 2006, 12:59:37 PM
What the hell are you doing here?  ;D

I've been lurking here for over a year  now.   ;)

Have you been naked the whole time?

;)

Just for you, Romey.   ;)

How ya been?

Rome

I am hungover today.  Hung.  Over.

:sly

Anyway, as for the topic at hand, it's nice to see Heckert getting a bump in job title and pay.  Hopefully this promotion isn't just ceremonial in nature. 

Cerevant

When I heard the news, I hoped that AR stepped up to the plate and admitted he needed to make a change starting with #1.  But the news makes it sound like he's just throwing Heckert a bone and keeping Banner away from the agents (both good ideas).

My thoughts:
- If the original concept of AR giving up control of personnel to concentrate on coaching was true, I'd say he got it backward.  AR is a better GM than an on-the-field coach.
- I don't care if Banner isn't doing the negotiating as long as he still is structuring the contracts.  With the 3rd year roster bonus and the "conduct detrimental" clause - and following through on their threats - the Eagles have demonstrated that becoming a free agent via media bullshtein is going to have a cost.
- Since this wasn't a fix-the-Eagles move, but a keep-status-quo move - I don't see anything positive coming out of this.  Same ole same ole...
An ad hominem fallacy consists of asserting that someone's argument is wrong and/or he is wrong to argue at all purely because of something discreditable/not-authoritative about the person or those persons cited by him rather than addressing the soundness of the argument itself.

ice grillin you

If the original concept of AR giving up control of personnel to concentrate on coaching was true, I'd say he got it backward.  AR is a better GM than an on-the-field coach

id love to have someone explain to me how being a gm effects your coaching ability...is mel kipers scouting book inside of reids play chart...like a playboy inside a sports illustrated
i can take a phrase thats rarely heard...flip it....now its a daily word

igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous

phattymatty

the only way i see this making any kind of positive difference is if we hire a new offensive coordinator and actually let him make the play calls

Cerevant

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 03, 2006, 01:45:44 PM
If the original concept of AR giving up control of personnel to concentrate on coaching was true, I'd say he got it backward.  AR is a better GM than an on-the-field coach

id love to have someone explain to me how being a gm effects your coaching ability...is mel kipers scouting book inside of reids play chart...like a playboy inside a sports illustrated
I didn't mean to imply they were related - simply that if AR wanted to give up half his job to get better at the other half, he should have given up the coaching half.
An ad hominem fallacy consists of asserting that someone's argument is wrong and/or he is wrong to argue at all purely because of something discreditable/not-authoritative about the person or those persons cited by him rather than addressing the soundness of the argument itself.

phattymatty

Quote from: Cerevant on January 03, 2006, 01:54:12 PM
I didn't mean to imply they were related - simply that if AR wanted to give up half his job to get better at the other half, he should have given up the coaching half.

agreed.  i think he's done a great job for the most part (minus this year obviously) of putting together a winning group of players.  but making them run idiotic plays at the worst times kind of cancels that whole first part out.

Rome

If you geniuses got your wish and Andy got canned, who would you replace him with?

I'm fairly certain that Don Shula's still retired and Vince Lombardi is still dead, so that leaves those two dudes out.

::)

SD_Eagle5

Quote from: Wingspan on January 03, 2006, 11:36:28 AM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 03, 2006, 10:57:11 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on January 03, 2006, 10:23:16 AM
Screw that. There is no way Heckert takes the title and no responsibility when he could have gotten the title, the money, and the added responsibility elsewhere. Not buying it.

Believe what you want, but there's your proof. Andy still has the final say on all personell decisions.

take nothing of what spads says seriously, ever.

He's their PR guy, he talks to the coaches and f/o. Just because his articles are a little unrealistic, that doesn't discredit him from knowing certain things. Do you REALLY think Heckert is now running the Eagles and has control over personell decisions? Sorry, just can't see it.

Wingspan

Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 03, 2006, 02:02:11 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on January 03, 2006, 11:36:28 AM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 03, 2006, 10:57:11 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on January 03, 2006, 10:23:16 AM
Screw that. There is no way Heckert takes the title and no responsibility when he could have gotten the title, the money, and the added responsibility elsewhere. Not buying it.

Believe what you want, but there's your proof. Andy still has the final say on all personell decisions.

take nothing of what spads says seriously, ever.

He's their PR guy, he talks to the coaches and f/o. Just because his articles are a little unrealistic, that doesn't discredit him from knowing certain things. Do you REALLY think Heckert is now running the Eagles and has control over personell decisions? Sorry, just can't see it.

right...a PR guy...meaning he cant make any part of the organization at any time seem weak. everything about everyone must have a joyous positive spin.

he is the least objective person on the planet. i really dont care what he says.

i do think Heckert has more control now. he didnt have to resign with the birds. he chose to.
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Geowhizzer

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 03, 2006, 02:00:26 PM
If you geniuses got your wish and Andy got canned, who would you replace him with?

I'm fairly certain that Don Shula's still retired and Vince Lombardi is still dead, so that leaves those two dudes out.

::)


Rich Kotitie!  :D

Rome

Quote from: Wingspan on January 03, 2006, 02:22:27 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 03, 2006, 02:02:11 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on January 03, 2006, 11:36:28 AM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 03, 2006, 10:57:11 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on January 03, 2006, 10:23:16 AM
Screw that. There is no way Heckert takes the title and no responsibility when he could have gotten the title, the money, and the added responsibility elsewhere. Not buying it.

Believe what you want, but there's your proof. Andy still has the final say on all personell decisions.

take nothing of what spads says seriously, ever.

He's their PR guy, he talks to the coaches and f/o. Just because his articles are a little unrealistic, that doesn't discredit him from knowing certain things. Do you REALLY think Heckert is now running the Eagles and has control over personell decisions? Sorry, just can't see it.

right...a PR guy...meaning he cant make any part of the organization at any time seem weak. everything about everyone must have a joyous positive spin.

he is the least objective person on the planet. i really dont care what he says.


I know it's not cool to stick up for Spadaro in this forum, and yeah, he's certainly a spinner, but he's ripped the Eagles a few times since Sunday.

Whatever, though.


SD_Eagle5

Quote from: Wingspan on January 03, 2006, 02:22:27 PM

right...a PR guy...meaning he cant make any part of the organization at any time seem weak. everything about everyone must have a joyous positive spin.

he is the least objective person on the planet. i really dont care what he says.

i do think Heckert has more control now. he didnt have to resign with the birds. he chose to.

Okay, you're right. Heckert suddenly has total control over personell decisions and we have the Vikings to thank for it.  :paranoid
Come 'on, AR calls all the shots and that's just the way it is. I think he and Heckert probably have a good working relationship so there's not really much of a power struggle. The GM title is nothing more than that, a title.