players vs front office

[PhillyGirl]

I wasn't sure either, until I re-read it, and then when he goes on to say he got the money he deserved. He definitely didn't think it was a low ball contract.  And I still haven't seen anyone who can tell most of us how Owens outperformed his deal. After all, he didn't establish any new career highs--his TDs and yardage were about his average and his catches were just below what he averaged in SF.

I agree with you completely. I'm just saying, it seemed in the book that his agent did all the finagling and just passed along the info to TO that the deal was a good one.

What I didn't read anywhere, though...was where the NFLPA told him to not sign it. When would they have had the time to do that?

[ice grillin you]

And I still haven't seen anyone who can tell most of us how Owens outperformed his deal. After all, he didn't establish any new career highs--his TDs and yardage were about his average and his catches were just below what he averaged in SF

i agree with you and believe TO to be one of the worst people on the planet...but to be fair outperforming a contract has nothing to do with career averages...it has to do with what he did last year compared to what hes getting paid this year and in comparison to other wr's stats and pay

[PhillyGirl]

And I still haven't seen anyone who can tell most of us how Owens outperformed his deal. After all, he didn't establish any new career highs--his TDs and yardage were about his average and his catches were just below what he averaged in SF

i agree with you and believe TO to be one of the worst people on the planet..

Comments like this make you look like a complete jackass.

Worst people on the planet? So, he's among the murderers, rapists, drug dealers, kidnappers, etc?

[ice grillin you]

hyperbole: look it up

[PhillyGirl]

 

[bobbyinlondon]

I wasn't sure either, until I re-read it, and then when he goes on to say he got the money he deserved. He definitely didn't think it was a low ball contract.  And I still haven't seen anyone who can tell most of us how Owens outperformed his deal. After all, he didn't establish any new career highs--his TDs and yardage were about his average and his catches were just below what he averaged in SF.

I agree with you completely. I'm just saying, it seemed in the book that his agent did all the finagling and just passed along the info to TO that the deal was a good one.

What I didn't read anywhere, though...was where the NFLPA told him to not sign it. When would they have had the time to do that?

Agreed, I didn't see that part, either.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

it has to do with what he did last year compared to what hes getting paid this year and in comparison to other wr's stats and pay

You can't look at a contract in a bubble.  T.O. made $10 million REAL MONEY last year.  He did not yet earn all that money, especially being injured throughout the playoffs and not being 100% for the Super Bowl.  Sure, he's "only" making $3.5 million this year, but at an average of $6.75-$7 million per season for his first two seasons, I'd say he's being compensated more than fairly.  There is a natural gap in his contract for next year because of the large roster bonus due, which would have been the perfect time for both sides to want to renegotiate.  All T.O. had to do was be T.O. for 2005, and he'd see his big paycheck from the Eagles or another team.  Easy money.

You don't have to be "on the nuts" of the Eagles' front office to realize that T.O. is absolutely being compensated fairly under his current contract and that giving him a new deal with more big dollars up-front in 2005 would have been far exceeding what he's earned on the field.

[Seabiscuit36]

If anyone remembers T.O. also didnt have to sign a waiver before he played in the SB which most teams would have to get them out of a contract if her was injured during the game.  The eagles instead decided to honor the contract and leave themself open to the salarycap for an injured player.  They did the right thing for T.O. and instead T.O. stabbed them in the back.  Either way he's here now and we are a better team with him than without him.  As long as he's healthy for the reg season im cool with him he just needs a better PR person

[ice grillin you]

whoa!....chill dook....i agree with you...TO is a moron

i was simply pointing out that career averages have nothing to do with outperforming or not outperforming a contract

nothing less nothing more

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

You're partially wrong, though.  Career averages are one of the many factors that determine a player's expected value to give him a new contract.  The contract that T.O. and the Eagles agreed on before the 2004 season was partially based on his previous production, in order to predict his production with the Eagles.  Expectations were high, and he met those expectations.  He absolutely, positively did NOT exceed those expectations.  Everything in a player's past playing career is, therefore, a factor.

[ice grillin you]

im not talking about getting a new contract...naturally what youve done previous to that determines its size...im talking about performance vs a current contract...what you did three years ago has no bearing on that

[Cerevant]

im not talking about getting a new contract...naturally what youve done previous to that determines its size...im talking about performance vs a current contract...what you did three years ago has no bearing on that

But that's the point - his original contract was based on past performance, and a re-negotiation would be based on what happened last year.  If his performance in the last year demonstrated that his past performance was not indicitive of his value, then you could argue that the contract was not fair.  However, this past year was consistent with his previous performance - exactly what the Eagles expected when they made the original contract.

Again, the question is: what did he do to make himself more valuable a player than he was when he signed his original deal?

C

[ice grillin you]

Again, the question is: what did he do to make himself more valuable a player than he was when he signed his original deal?

absolutely nothing...no one said he did

[Larry]

Again, the question is: what did he do to make himself more valuable a player than he was when he signed his original deal?

He didn't do anything, but there's more to it than that.

In a nutshell, the one event which spurred Owens to seek more money is this:  Marvin Harrison's contract extension.

It's a simple capitalistic principle--if you're working at a particular occupation and someone in the same field suddenly receives a large raise which exceeds your pay, naturally you're going to ask for more money, especially if you believe you're more talented than that person.

Owens most likely thinks he's more valuable than Harrison, but now, Harrison makes a whole lot more money.  That's gotta stick in TO's craw.

Same for Westbrook when compared to Jordan...that's why he's using Jordan's contract as a starting point.  He believes he's more valuable than him.

[MURP]

and Lamont Jordan basically had to sit around 4 years playing 2nd fiddle up in NY before he got his big deal.