A New Politics Thread

[Diomedes]

Serious question:  is there a number of Palestinians the Israelis won't kill here?  Like, if it takes killing 95 thousand people to uproot and execute Hamas, they're good with that?  But over 120k and they re-think it?  200 thousand?  How many are too many?  Right now they're easily at 10,000.  And all they've done is bomb.  If they go into tunnels, clear building by building, etc. and effectively (if not totally) eliminate Hamas, this is only the beginning and the numbers dead will really climb.

Another question:  Can Hamas be crippled without such a response?  I don't know that you can deal with folk like Hamas in basically any other way than killing as many of them as possible as quickly as possible.  The time for understanding on this case seems to have passed, you know?

I don't know shtein, myself, obviously.

[PhillyPhreak54]

I don't know either. I'm not well versed on the deeper roots of their conflict. So I'm not sure I can properly gauge it.

But it seems as if neither side would be satisfied until the other was completely eliminated.

I do think that civilian lives should be spared and humanitarian efforts allowed to happen. I do think Israel has a right to go after Hamas in full for their atrocities against Israel.

From the Gaza/Palestinian side it somewhat seems like Vietnam in the sense that the VC hid in plain sight without regard to civilians. And Hamas seems to be doing the same for protection.

[General_Failure]

Cynical answers are no and no. Israel is fine with killing as many Palestinians as it takes, and you only create more terrorists by doing so.

[Rome]

Hamas are savages who use civilians as cannon fodder.  They are fanatics and every last one of them have to be rooted out and killed.  There is no other choice for Israel. 

[Diomedes]

Israelis are enlightened children of Civilization who kill 100 innocent people in order to also kill one "savage."

I'll pass on beers with both.

[Rome]

It's a terrible situation, no doubt.  But Israel has the right to defend itself. 

And Hamas has never once NOT broken ceasefires.  There was one in effect on October 7th when they slaughtered innocent Israelis. 

Sorry but the Palestinians allowed those fanatical lunatics to rule them and now they're paying the price. Hamas is ISIS and this is what happens when religious fanatics are given power. 

We should all remember that considering this country of ours is about 5 seconds away from becoming a Christian version of a fascist theocracy.

[Diomedes]

I don't see much daylight between the tactics of either group, would not break bread with either of them.

If Israel wants to solve the problem of Hamas, let them send troops to battle every tunnel, every room, and pay for their security with the blood of their own warriors rather than bomb the refugees, and once they've accomplished that, they need to return the stolen land, support a two state solution, and pay to rebuild.

They don't want any parts of any of that though, because they actually like having terrorist enemies...helps to keep them in power, gives them free money from the U.S., etc.

The Israeli government is despicable. 

[Rome]

No big deal - just an ex-President quoting Adolf Hitler verbatim and issuing threats to exterminate 11 million immigrants and round up his enemies and kill them too. 

[Eagaholic]

Israelis are enlightened children of Civilization who kill 100 innocent people in order to also kill one "savage."

I'll pass on beers with both.

Hamas isn't supposed to drink beer, so you'd be a bad influence on them.

[Rome]

Possible terrorist attack at the Canadian border.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/authorities-monitoring-incident-bridge-niagara-falls-ny-governor-says-2023-11-22/

[MDS]

or it was two meth heads from methville, western ny

fox was trying to make this about arabs as usual

[Rome]

Fox isn't even a news source.  It's a propaganda outlet for aggrieved white people. 

But it was interesting how some outlets used the "T" word in a titillating way even before there was any confirmation either way. 

The state of journalism in 2023 is not great.

[MDS]

the immediacy of social media ruined the job. something happens like this and everyone, including capital J journalists are throwing shtein out there in real time. whereas 20 years ago, there would be almost a full 24 hours between the actual event and the time of you reading it...you know, time to report, vet, parse, etc.

the good news is now disingenuous hungry hungry hippos can use a drunk rich dude firing his benz over a curb near the border as a means to attack biden and itll score points

[PhillyPhreak54]

So that's what the MAGAts were screeching about today?

The peacocking from them to see who can strut bigger on social media is a scourge on society.

I saw the tweets from some congresspeople and thought it was a legit terror attack.

[Diomedes]

I'm having a hard time following.  Are the red hatters all upset over the reaction to Jim Irsay's idiotic complaints about being persecuted?