Rest Of Baseball - 2016

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because they werent throwing as much,

In the bigs, they were absolutely throwing just as much, if not more than they do now.  The difference is that back in the day when Nolan Ryan was a kid, he didn't have traveling teams and baseball camp and private workouts with professional coaches etc, etc, etc....so by the time he got to the majors, his arm probably has less mileage on it than a college senior today. 

as hard or with the same kind of force.

False.  There were probably less freaks back in the 60s or 70s that could get in the high 90s or higher, but pitchers are generally throwing as hard today and with the same velocity as they did 40 years ago. 

also there was limited to no advanced medicine, no x-rays, etc. so pitchers used to pitch through ridiculous injuries and arm ailments that they do not do now.

I don't even know what this means.  The medical advancements today do nothing to prevent injuries.  The reason why guys weren't on pitch counts back in the day is because (as already stated) they weren't overworked as kids.  Their muscles got to develop naturally and healthily.  No excessive workouts and weight lifting and protein shakes and supplements.  Just a steady diet of meat and potatoes and booze and playing ball. 

the talent in the game has gotten so much better over the past 2 decades

Gotta disagree there.  Athleticism has gotten better, talent is probably about the same. 

that the requirements to be an effective pitcher puts an insane amount of strain and pressure on the arm. a lot dont hold up. the idea is to work pitchers up to throwing 250+ innings in a year. the idea is to limit their innings and pitches when working their way back from injury or an extended rest (see hill tonight).

This is the first thing you said that makes sense. 

Crazy ass little league schedules and AAU type teams playing all the time and weight lifting programs for 10 year olds is why they get to the majors and blow out their arms.  I certainly don't fault ML teams for wanting to protect the health of their players.  Maybe if greedy fargs weren't trying to develop the next Nolan Ryan or Sandy Koufax from kindergarten, we'd see a lot fewer arm and shoulder injuries in the bigs. 

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In the bigs, they were absolutely throwing just as much, if not more than they do now.  The difference is that back in the day when Nolan Ryan was a kid, he didn't have traveling teams and baseball camp and private workouts with professional coaches etc, etc, etc....so by the time he got to the majors, his arm probably has less mileage on it than a college senior today.

exactly. the adults threw more when their arms were matured and developed, but they came in with less mileage. thats the point. kids come into the bigs with major arm issues because they threw too many innings at 15, 16, etc.

False.  There were probably less freaks back in the 60s or 70s that could get in the high 90s or higher, but pitchers are generally throwing as hard today and with the same velocity as they did 40 years ago. 

i was referring to pre 1950s era, but it still applies. mph is only one factor. throwing 99 isnt enough. its throwing 94 on a cut fastball. its throwing a breaking ball 85. force isnt just speed.

I don't even know what this means.  The medical advancements today do nothing to prevent injuries.  The reason why guys weren't on pitch counts back in the day is because (as already stated) they weren't overworked as kids.  Their muscles got to develop naturally and healthily.  No excessive workouts and weight lifting and protein shakes and supplements.  Just a steady diet of meat and potatoes and booze and playing ball. 

it means that pitchers would have farged up arms but still pitch because they were hard as shtein rust belt farm dudes and not Hoydas from so cal named cole hamels.

Gotta disagree there.  Athleticism has gotten better, talent is probably about the same. 

youre just way off here. the talent level is insane. doofy white men slap hitters were a staple of baseball for 70 years. theyre gone now because juan and jose from the dominican are 1000x better. talent is pulled in from all over the world. it wasnt before. before that you had to be white.

This is the first thing you said that makes sense. 

its not but thanks sweetie

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j is mostly right except the one key point lol guy made that has been buried underneath a heaping pile of flaming diarrheal

hill wasn't pulled in the 9th he was pulled in the farging 7th he was nowhere close to a no hitter and wouldn't have gotten it...if you are going to pick your battles this was not the case to do so

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j is mostly right

no

[PhillyPhreak54]

Listen to your father

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the three nl wc teams all lost today and scored 1 run combined

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Giants have looked extra zesty since the asb

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the three nl wc teams all lost today and scored 1 run combined

What was their pitch count tho?

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False.  There were probably less freaks back in the 60s or 70s that could get in the high 90s or higher, but pitchers are generally throwing as hard today and with the same velocity as they did 40 years ago. 

Number of pitchers per year to throw at least 200 pitches 95 MPH+

2016 124
2015 117
2014 74
2013 69
2012 56
2011 54
2010 62
2009 62
2008 59

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Something crazy going on starting in 2015 for the number to basically double. Must be that 5 hr energy.

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DeGrom down for the year. He was supposed to start tomorrow but is now shut down with ulnar nerve issues

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I know the Phils "all time great" pitching staff didn't win a chip, but at least they won 100 games and the division. This muts rotation was crowned the goat back in march and they may not even make the playoffs. Lol Mets.

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they made the world series last year

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David Ortiz, 40, leads majors in extra-base hits. Oldest to finish season as MLB leader: Barry Bonds (37).

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He's pretty farging amazing.