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Can't wait to see what they do to fix the penalty issue. Two weeks in a row.
It's not only a shame that hilbilly dumbshtein it out because they have to play a Polynesian turnstile but because they can't sit Kelce's sorry ass on the bench.
yeah if lane johnson werent out you could have a real discussion this week about replacing kelce at center with wiz....kelce is either getting blown into the backfield or committing a penalty or both
LOUD NOISES!
I don't understand the purpose of that picture.
Also, unless the entire team gets a massive enema to cleanse themselves of the shtein they've been bringing on the field for 2 weeks, this is going to be a really ugly game.
sam bradford wears abnormally long sleeves
sam bradford used to be the eagles quarterback
same bradford is now the vikings quarterack
the eagles are playing the vikings
its a stupid jimmy kempski joke that i dont get either....arron rodgers has sleeves on today
Bradford isn't even wearing sleeves in that picture. Or is it supposed to be the length of his jersey sleeves that we're mocking?
If Bradford isn't wearing sleeves in that pic, then he's got one hell of a sunburn. nm...his face is all red too. Somebody farged with the contrast settings hardcore
He's an injun. That's just his skin.
Regardless af, the thread subject should be "Week 7 - Vikings: SKOAL"
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 16, 2016, 06:25:28 PM
yeah if lane johnson werent out you could have a real discussion this week about replacing kelce at center with wiz....kelce is either getting blown into the backfield or committing a penalty or both
He's awful. Don't forget his bad snaps too.
Let him go bang coeds down in sea isle and get someone in there who can block and not hold every four seconds
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 16, 2016, 06:58:14 PM
Bradford isn't even wearing sleeves in that picture. Or is it supposed to be the length of his jersey sleeves that we're mocking?
yeah its the jersey sleeves...but its not like no one has ever worn jersey sleeves before....basically kempski ripped him from day 1 and instead of admitting he might have been partially wrong he makes stupid pictures like that of bradfords sleeves
I think most qbs wear regular sleeves long and loose like that. I know I'd hate to throw with sleeves all up in my pits.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 16, 2016, 07:09:47 PM
I think most qbs wear regular sleeves long and loose like that. I know I'd hate to throw with sleeves all up in my pits.
they dont
Source?
One positive that I can think of is once Wentz watches the film of today he will adjust to taking what's there for him. The sacks on the final drive were avoidable if he dumps off or runs.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 16, 2016, 08:00:27 PM
One positive that I can think of is once Wentz watches the film of today he will adjust to taking what's there for him. The sacks on the final drive were avoidable if he dumps off or runs.
That's the hope. He's a rook and today he looked like one. Aside from his late game sacks, he missed high on quite a few throws today. I assume he was feeling rushed, even when he wasn't.
Not to sound homerish, but I think the Eagles win this game. Home teams typically are the beneficiaries of penalty calls, so I think those will be down, and a home game coming off two road losses is a good spot for the Eagles. Vikings are a good team, but are a product of a league with incredible parity. They are not the 2007 Patriots. They aren't even the 2015 Carolina Panthers. They have Rudolph and Diggs on offense and not much else, and I have to think the Eagles play better at home. In a league where it seems like every week is a completely different story from the next... I don't know. I just like the spot. Unless they look ahead to Dallas, but I doubt that having lost 2 in a row.
The way this defense has played the last 2 games, I'd be scared to face the Eagles receivers, let alone Minnesota's.
I don't think they win but I see a more balanced effort from the Eagles (not hard after the last two weeks)....they'll lose something like 20-17
Quote from: AshishPatel81 on October 17, 2016, 01:13:11 AM
Not to sound homerish, but I think the Eagles win this game. Home teams typically are the beneficiaries of penalty calls, so I think those will be down, and a home game coming off two road losses is a good spot for the Eagles. Vikings are a good team, but are a product of a league with incredible parity. They are not the 2007 Patriots. They aren't even the 2015 Carolina Panthers. They have Rudolph and Diggs on offense and not much else, and I have to think the Eagles play better at home. In a league where it seems like every week is a completely different story from the next... I don't know. I just like the spot. Unless they look ahead to Dallas, but I doubt that having lost 2 in a row.
eagles have had 7 and 10 penalties at home this year and they are barely over a .500 team at the linc since 2005...in this case is a home game after two losses better than a road game after a bye?...and while agree about parity there is still every year 2-3 teams that are above everyone else and the vikings sure look like one of them this year....is there a single spot on the field that you would say the eagles are better?....that would be tough to find...and the mismatches when the eagles offense is gong to be on the field are off the charts bad for the birds
that said sometimes you just have a feeling that an inferior team is going to win a game for reasons that are hard to explain....ive been there
Quote from: SD on October 17, 2016, 09:50:30 AM
I don't think they win but I see a more balanced effort from the Eagles (not hard after the last two weeks)....they'll lose something like 20-17
i dont see how the eagles get 17 but i could see this being low and close if the eagles offense can at least get some first downs to keep TOP closeish and dont turn the ball over...its not like the vikings are an offensive juggernaut but when the offense is given chance after chance and field position by their defense they can easily put up 24-34 and blow the eagles away...throw in the laughable zimmer vs. pederson coaching h2h and i just dont see how the eagles score this game
Vaitai remains the RT
Jesus.
The one play where he completely disregarded and was completely oblivious to the DE to his right. I'll give him that its his first game, and away, but still. O-Lineman 101 type stuff there that he failed.
Why does this only happen to the Eagles fans?
Yeah, as much as Dougie P was making all the right moves weeks 1-3, he seems to equally be making all the wrong moves ever since the bye.
the only possible reasoning behind this is that howie knows they suck and hes using this year not to win but to groom their right tackle of the future...the problem is this doesnt work in a parity ridden 16 game regular season league where you are 3-2...no matter where you think they are going to end up this year as a fan you dont want to hear it and mostly the other players in the locker room dont wanna hear it they are there to make the playoffs and certainly to a man think they still can
if you are 3-9 and want to throw a guy who isnt ready at one of the most important positions on the field then thats one thing...but you cant do it now and certainly not against the vikes front 7
what infuriates me most is that this guy wasnt your number one pick who disappointed in camp and didnt win a job but has the talent...vai was a 5th round project that wasnt supposed to be ready for a year if ever
Vikings are definitely better than the Eagles at most positions, but I'll take the Eagles RBs over theirs considering Peterson is out. I'll take Wentz over Bradford anyday, and I'm not a Bradford hater like a lot of people, but Wentz just has physical skills that Bradford doesn't possess and can't be taught. I'd probably take the left side of the Eagles OL over theirs if you wanna count that. I'd put Rudolph a bit above Ertz, but I think overall as a unit the Eagles have superior TEs than them. Other than that, not much else. Their entire defense is superior from front to back and their receivers are better, and the positions I'd take from the Eagles over the Vikings, it's not by a blowout.
That said, every year there are 1-2 games you win that you probably shouldn't, and 1-2 games you lose that you probably shouldn't. I think the Steelers were one of those, and the Vikings will fill the yearly quota.
Much to igys chagrin Logan isn't out for the year but he will miss this week
Steven Means should get some solid snaps
dougie meathead says that vai "gives us the best chance to win right now"
how do you feel if you are barbre and/or wiz....id be so heated
Wiz was heated last week. No doubt he doesn't try to talk his way into a trade. He's on a one year deal so he's def gone.
On Barbre he complimented his play at LG which I admit has been pretty good. So I get that.
But so what if you're strong at LG when your RT is getting smoked and your franchise QB is literally getting his jersey ripped off of him.
Don't know how many of you guys remember Barbre at RT vs the Jags two seasons ago but it wasn't pretty. Was Vai that bad the second half? I'm willing to give the rook a few games before he's benched. Not like they're competing for a SB.
isn't kelce hurt??? i think there's a chance wiz starts at center this week.
The word in twittersphere is that Wiz will be taking first team snaps in practice, but that Pedey intends to use Kelce come game time.
(So I'm saying there's a chance.)
Vikings - 327
Worst Team Ever(!) - 2
Vaitai would improve substantially just by actually knowing his assignments. That doesn't do much for the plays where he knew what he was supposed to do and just got beat, though.
I don't particularly care about game outcomes at this point, but I would like to see Wentz have a chance to develop this season instead of being constantly under assault until he breaks some vertebrae.
vaitai would improve by being on the practice squad for another year or two...and even then im not sure...he wasnt even that good in college
not like there's gonna be a big upgrade if barbre is moved to RT. when the team doesn't draft any OL for three seasons, you don't have many options after Johnson screwed this team like he did.
theres a massive upgrade btwn a rookie 5th rounder that should be in street clothes and a veteran who has played tackle before but just isnt that good
I do not think that word means what you think it means.
So let's look at that DGB/Dennis Kelly trade. I was loving it at the time and if BGB was balling, would still love it. At this particular moment in time though, it's looking like this team needs Kelly more than DGB. Hope the rook can step his game up this week.
I would rather have IGY's middle aged pasty faced ass out there blocking than Kelly.
For this season, maybe it sucks. If DGB ever amounts to anything, it'll be when they've hopefully filled a few of the bigger holes in the team and Wentz didn't turn out to be a three game wonder.
Yeah I'd still take DGB
The upside is much better and greater.
Kelly farging sucked. He was a piñata last year
Jury's out but I'm not hopeful it works out in the end. DGB has not flashed talent. He's flashed competent, which ain't enough. Kelly wasn't a gem but he might have been the better commodity to have afterall.
I think we will see the DGB bloom come later in the season once he's more familiar with everything
I too think you're smoking crack. I bet you're a great salesman. Everything's gonna get better soon!
I wish I was as positive about anything as Phreak is about everything.
I don't think it's too homerish to think a guy with a year and five games under his belt will get better.
you didnt say get better you said "bloom"
Don't be stupid
I'm using it descriptively not projecting him to be AJ Green
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 18, 2016, 10:10:28 PM
Don't be stupid
I'm using it descriptively not projecting him to be AJ Green
Negadelphian.
Quote from: Diomedes on October 18, 2016, 09:40:03 PM
Jury's out but I'm not hopeful it works out in the end. DGB has not flashed talent. He's flashed competent, which ain't enough. Kelly wasn't a gem but he might have been the better commodity to have afterall.
That's basically what I'm getting at. At this moment they need a serviceable lineman a lot more than they need 3 catches a game from DGB. I don't fault them for making the trade because they were giving up an average at best player in exchange for someone with a high ceiling, but this is basically the worst case scenario that people were concerned about when the trade was made.
I don't remember, but was Lane's situation already out there when they made this trade or did it happen after the fact?
The Lane Johnson thing was already known.
Dennis Kelly has reached his NFL ceiling
DGB probably hasn't
On a team devoid of talent at WR you make the deal.
Or you plug in your rookie LG or Wiz and slide out Barbre who is about equal to Kelly at RT
Either way with that trade, Wentz will be getting sacked quickly because there's no blocking or slowly because no one's open.
yep.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 18, 2016, 09:41:12 PM
I think we will see the DGB bloom come later in the season once he's more familiar with everything
the trade was worth a shot and im not second guessing it but he was in his second training camp with the titans and still didnt know the plays...but in philly hes going to bloom in a few games because of familiarity?
Nevermind.
He's gonna suck and they probably should release him.
Goddamn any farging comment made is twisted to the whole opposite side.
My farging point is that it's too early to say what he's going to do. And his upside is certainly worth more than that doddering fool Kelly trying to play OL.
You can see the talent is there with DGB. I'd do the trade a million times over as I don't think Kelly is anything special whereas DGB has the tools to be a Plaxico Burress type of receiver. The one thing that surprises me is his lack of use in the redzone. Dude is 6'5 and can jump over any corner in the league and I think he has zero redzone targets.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 19, 2016, 08:10:40 AM
Nevermind.
He's gonna suck and they probably should release him.
Goddamn any farging comment made is twisted to the whole opposite side.
My farging point is that it's too early to say what he's going to do. And his upside is certainly worth more than that doddering fool Kelly trying to play OL.
i mean agholor could bloom too...basically you are saying any/every second year player ever
could bloom...this is a true statement
saying dgb will bloom in a few games because he needs to get familiar with the eagles while not in your top 1000 homer statements definitely leans hard homer
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 19, 2016, 08:28:55 AM
saying dgb will bloom in a few games because he needs to get familiar with the eagles while not in your top 1000 homer statements definitely leans hard homer
lol
Don't ask me why I remember this, but I think it was the beginning of the 2003 season J predicted Thrash would have 80 catches and 1000 yards. Romey sent me a text and we were laughing about it.
Still love you J
lol that had to have been 2002 because in 2001 he had a validly good year...i think he had 10 td's
i definitely appreciate j's optimism...i honestly i wish held a tenth of his cheery disposition when it comes to my teams...in this case i actually thought i one of the more hopeful people when it came to dgb...that maybe in four years he will have received a second nfl contract and is a red zone threat for the birds...but j drove a mack truck thru that shtein saying he will blossom in three weeks
Quote from: SD on October 19, 2016, 08:34:46 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 19, 2016, 08:28:55 AM
saying dgb will bloom in a few games because he needs to get familiar with the eagles while not in your top 1000 homer statements definitely leans hard homer
lol
Don't ask me why I remember this, but I think it was the beginning of the 2003 season J predicted Thrash would have 80 catches and 1000 yards. Romey sent me a text and we were laughing about it.
Still love you J
its very telling when romey calls someone else out for being a homer.
fight the good fight, j !
I remember that too. Jay had some close exposure to Spadaro back then, which mostly accounts for that particularly hilarious forecast.
spads affect ... lol
in the same vein wasnt roob the jedi who taught young pg to be such a homer
She was always a homer, he just helped reinforce her opinions.
wait, did igy just use a star wars reference ?
Quote from: smeags on October 19, 2016, 12:37:47 PM
wait, did igy just use a star wars reference ?
It's not the first time. Don't let igy fool you, he's a closet SW (OT) fan.
except he hates Science Fiction
the original star wars are all world...i just dont know shtein like the names of the canteen patrons
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manny, moe & jack.
pretty depressing that terrelle pryor has already developed into a better wr than anyone on the eagles' roster. :paranoid
not sure how, but I think the eagles win this one.
Quote from: hunt on October 19, 2016, 12:53:24 PM
pretty depressing that terrelle pryor has already developed into a better wr than anyone on the eagles' roster. :paranoid
if cleveland knew that was going to happen they might not have taken four wr in the draft this year
didn't everyone pretty much figure he could be a good WR, he just refused to make the change until (I assume) he couldn't find a job
i dont think anyone knew what he ultimately would become btwn a te h- back or wr or a mix of all...and i def dont think anyone predicted he would be this good of a wr...no matter how athletic he is he was/is still a college qb trying to transition to a pro receiver
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I don't remember the Thrash thing but that was 15 years ago. I was way more optimistic then
Back to my point. It's stupid to suggest they'd be better off with Dennis Kelly. DGB is a year plus into his career. I don't give two shteins if he's too stupid to write his name.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 19, 2016, 02:56:49 PM
I don't remember the Thrash thing but that was 15 years ago. I was way more optimistic then
Back to my point. It's stupid to suggest they'd be better off with Dennis Kelly. DGB is a year plus into his career. I don't give two shteins if he's too stupid to write his name.
Yeah. You've really toned it down.
I have. But seriously who gives a farg?
It's called being a fan. Enjoyment of supporting ones team(s).
You guys do you.
McNabb was better than Wentz
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 19, 2016, 02:56:49 PM
I don't remember the Thrash thing but that was 15 years ago. I was way more optimistic then
Don't worry J, I met Spudz at a Pro Bowl practice back in 2000. We had on field passes and I introduced myself to Spadaro. He was actually really cool and we talked for awhile BUT he tried to sell me that Pinkston was the real deal. I'm still waiting.
j salty cause spadz gets paid for being a homer
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j's got the ink though.
Lol I just saw that.
Inactives:
Treggs
Brooks
Seumalo
Gordon
CJ Smith
Andrews
Logan
Eagles - 20
Vikes - 17
Big V makes his prescence known immediately
Penalty and a drop
Good start!!
What a Hoyda call
What's the o/u for this game? 10?
Give me. Afarging break
Horseshtein call on 54
Hoyda punter was acting
Carroll sucks, that is all
What are you talking about, an ax kick from the punter is always a penalty on the return team.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 23, 2016, 01:11:10 PM
Horseshtein call on 54
Hoyda punter was acting
The dickless punters leg landed on G Hill's back on the way down. Officiating continues to be a complete embarrassment.,
Where was that hold?
Welp
Awful throw
There was no pressure, it was an awful pass
Hey a penalty that's not on the birds!
Why didn't the birds get Jake Long?
Sammy's back!
Yessss!!
Graham with pressure and McLeod picks it!
Really?
Mother
Fcking
shtein
Come on Wentz
Hahahahahah!! Yes!!!
Flag? No god, please no
Yeah baby!!!
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Carson say hi to Sam, Sam you remember Carson.
This is a complete shtein show.
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I'm about to pipe in the generic cartoon music.
Lololol
Picked again
Jesus Christ
What the farg is going on? Wentz is awful today. He's getting great protection considering this train wreck of an o line
Sucks to see that all that natural talent Wentz had was knocked out of him.
These clowns can't cover so might as well cheat
How was that flag waived off? That was totally PI if not hands to the face.
Brooks is a big loss
Damn
Good luck with this field position Carson
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 23, 2016, 01:42:20 PM
Brooks is a big loss
Damn
I'm terrified to even look at the secondary depth chart
Wake up Wentz!
farging wide open.
Come on rookie smarten up
Oh look a Kelce penalty!
Sproles is secretly a terrible receiver. Great after he catches it but can't catch.
This looks like the fourth quarter of the first preseason game
Another missed throw
Jesus
This is so much fun.
I almost hate Huff a little bit less now
Hufffffff!!
Yeah baby!
Huff is good now? I am concerned.
lol why not go for two
Hey! It worked! Dougie P, smartest guy in the room
Wentz plan on making any good throws today or no?
Kill, Kill > Omaha, Omaha
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 23, 2016, 02:22:14 PM
Wentz plan on making any good throws today or no?
They're not bringing back Sanchez.
Carroll 3 is quickly becoming a real pain in the ass
Rowe had to have been better than Mills.
Boom!
Defense playing their ass off
Told you Carroll 3 is really a pain in the ass ::)
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 23, 2016, 02:27:16 PM
Boom!
Defense playing their ass off
So good to see. Where was this kick ass attitude last week?
Now if Wentz could just hit the side of an aircraft carrier things might end well.
Uncatchable? Why can you tackle people while the ball is in the air?
Lol these refs
Whoa Mathews!
NFL Refs Live Don't Matter. I am so sick of this bullshtein unaccountable league.
Good...go for the endzone once more, fools
How's that for a vote of confidence for your offense?
Oh so Doug does believe!
I'm watching the NFL.com thing update and reading you fools while doing household crap because my teevee doesn't show the game. f'n Ravens.
Is Mills the one who puts his finger up like "no, no, no" after every play he defends? I like that.
What's he do after he gets beat?
He's not been beat today yet.
Defense has to keep up the pressure. It helps the Vikes running game is lousy
As for running games how about some more of it for the Eagles? Barner and Smallwood plz
In New York, did Kelce get benched?
The O Line despite the penalties is playing well. Wentz is playing like a D2 Rookie unfortunately. Wentz needs a cup of coffee on the sidelines.
Dennis Kelly doesn't score that TD there lemme tell ya
Btw I really dislike Kelce
DGB's first TD as a bird is pretty anticlimactic.
Quote from: Munson on October 23, 2016, 03:11:12 PM
In New York, did Kelce get benched?
Brooks got hurt.
Actually both Ron and Brandon Brooks are out Munson.
farg! C'mon! they conceded there and they get the first down
Yea a draw on 3rd and 10+ to Asiata is a "your line is murdering ours lets punt" concession. Shame.
Beau Allen
General Schwartz going from shtein house to pent house.
Thank God this defense showed up. way Wentz has played it's a miracle birds are up 15.
Big Balls Doug just trying to hold on to a lead with a shaky rookie QB? Fire him.
90 yard punt!
lol
eidt:
wait, what?? Eagles ball?
what happened here?
Doug and Reich with no confidence in Wentz BUT hey it all worked out. zesty punt actually took a great bounce. He doesn't field that it's rolling another 20+ yards.
Quote from: Diomedes on October 23, 2016, 03:40:32 PM
90 yard punt!
lol
eidt:
wait, what?? Eagles ball?
what happened here?
Punt returner fumbled. Trey Burton recovered.
Sproles rising to the occasion here.
Quote from: General_Failure on October 23, 2016, 03:43:26 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on October 23, 2016, 03:40:32 PM
90 yard punt!
lol
eidt:
wait, what?? Eagles ball?
what happened here?
Punt returner fumbled. Trey Burton recovered.
Was wondering what you meant there Dio.
Team MVP Josh Huff. 2016 really is the most screwed up year ever.
Quote from: Don Ho on October 23, 2016, 03:43:47 PM
Sproles rising to the occasion here.
As usual.
Think about how lucky the Eagles have been at RB for the last 15 years or so..
Wentz, is going to give me a stroke here.
O line is doing a hell of a job today
I can live with 3 there. Good call Doug.
Vikings have the white flag out.
Just get rid of Matthews
Another goddamn fumble by Mathews
Penalties and fumbles is how they roll baby
I was just about to say it was nice to see the Eagles win these kinds of ugly, terrible games.
Goddamnit Mathews! Hold on the farging ball!
I hope they can dump his ass next year. He is such a liability.
Wentz has a lot of work to do. Happy as well with what looks like a sure victory now but he really made some horrible throws today. As least Bradford can claim the birds D was up his rear and down his throat all game long but the O line for the Eagles played great today. Wentz had time and he had guys open.
Bradford in full captain checkdown mode
Ugly but effective
I'll take it
The ol stood up and didn't allow a sack
They tormented Sammy B all day too
Now...BEAT DALLAS
This was a stupid ugly game. Refs have no idea what PI is because Mills and Rhodes were both about as blatant as it gets. Kelce forgot how to snap the ball. Farg Mathews.
4-2
Good
Eagles beat dallas next week they'll be tied for 1st with the tie breaker. Definitely take that.
amazing how well the defense did without bennie logan
I think I saw Havas on tv trying to take him out on the sidelines Gilooly style
ill give you credit the THEY HAVE TO RESIGN LOGAN take is not as bad as sanchez > bradford
but hey good win today go birds
I'm always in your head. Rent is due, pal.
If you're in his head, wouldn't you owe him rent? It's still due, mofo.
It's one of those special arrangements where he pays me
Something like the Trump Christie relationship then?
farging awesome game.
Quote from: Diomedes on October 23, 2016, 07:59:39 PM
Something like the Trump Christie relationship then?
Indeed
more like clinton continually talking about how ridiculous that texan paul begala is
Previous games combined - 12 blitzes
Today - 13 blitzes
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 23, 2016, 09:09:51 PM
Previous games combined - 12 blitzes
Today - 13 blitzes
It's almost like they knew that Bradford was bitchmade against pressure. Wonder where they got that info.
or maybe schwartz was tired of his front 4 not doing anything and made a concerted effort to get home against a terrible OL and an immobile qb
Quote from: MDS on October 23, 2016, 06:10:42 PM
amazing how well the defense did with 2 starting o-linemen out for Minnesota.
i love the head coach....
"It's kind of a no brainer because you get the ball at the one, half the distance from the two"
It worked out, and that's nice and all, but I thought it was pretty pointless and borderline stupid to go for 2 in that situation.
21 points the hard way.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 24, 2016, 12:10:47 PM
It worked out, and that's nice and all, but I thought it was pretty pointless and borderline stupid to go for 2 in that situation.
i liked the call...certainly more than the explanation of the
Yeah this was supposed to happen more...Tomlin does it a lot...with the new XP rules. People thought more teams would go for two rather than take a shot with the kicker from farther away.
Aside from Vaitai's early false start he didn't play bad. Also thought Wisnieski played well when Barbre was injured.
Agreed.
Tobin came in during garbage time when Peters sat out with his biceps injury and did ok as well.
Yeah, I don't think they even mentioned Vaitai after the false start. I remember seeing him get blown up a couple of times, but it didn't impact the play itself, so I guess that's ok. I just know after that false start I thought it was going to either be a very long or very short day for Wentz.
they protecting against him with quicker drop backs and screens and whatnot
but he wasnt an outright disaster. so yea!
Gameplanning to cover your team's weaknesses? Are they allowed to do that?
Not in Coach Lil Guy's mind
if im the coach youre the cheerleader
Lol
You couldn't coach. They don't allow spreadsheets and sabr on the sidelines
QuoteDonovan Mcnabb said this morning on ESPN that the Matt kalil is struggling for the Vikings....He has been on IR since Sept 21.
same lazy shtein as an analyst that he was as a player
lol nice try
its not a nice try...its him being the same kind of guy he was as a player
if you actually liked him (which is deplorable) then you should be extra angry that he didnt apply himself further so he could be even better
Yeah ok. He was a bad lazy player. Give it a rest.
DMac is terrible as a radio or TV guy, I've never heard him say one insightful thing and have no idea why ESPN hired him. I didn't think Dawk was very good as an analyst either, but he was 20x better than McNabb.
ive watched him several times thruout the year talk birds and the thing that always stands out is his absolute refusal to praise Carson wentz
he's the same spiteful bed wetting little bitch he's always been
Yeah I am sure you're right. No bias on your part whatsoever.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 24, 2016, 01:36:29 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 24, 2016, 12:10:47 PM
It worked out, and that's nice and all, but I thought it was pretty pointless and borderline stupid to go for 2 in that situation.
i liked the call...certainly more than the explanation of the
I'm a fan of not taking points off the board. If there's a drive extending penalty on a made FG, then yeah.... it's a potential 4 pt swing, but by and large, leave the points on the board.
But mostly I was just looking at the game situation. Score was 6-3 halfway through the 2nd qtr. A made 2pt attempt does very little for you because a td still leaves you trailing. But if you miss it, then a fg ties the game. It's not a huge deal, I'm not crucifying him over it, it's just a pretty pointless gamble at that stage in the game that didn't have a very high payout.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 25, 2016, 10:06:23 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 24, 2016, 01:36:29 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 24, 2016, 12:10:47 PM
It worked out, and that's nice and all, but I thought it was pretty pointless and borderline stupid to go for 2 in that situation.
i liked the call...certainly more than the explanation of the
But mostly I was just looking at the game situation. Score was 6-3 halfway through the 2nd qtr. A made 2pt attempt does very little for you because a td still leaves you trailing. But if you miss it, then a fg ties the game. It's not a huge deal, I'm not crucifying him over it, it's just a pretty pointless gamble at that stage in the game that didn't have a very high payout.
the score of the game is irrelevant at that time...you arent worried about 8-3 vs. 7-3...you are looking at the big picture by going for two...in theory it would turn a tie into a win for you late in the game...you are down 21-15 instead of 21-14 and can win the game..or you are up 25-17 and minny has to score a touchdown and a two to tie it putting more pressure on the opponent coming down the stretch
as for going for it in geneal....theres almost nowhere on the field and no game/score situation where i wouldnt go for it on 4th and 1
the important thing tho is doug showing off by dropping mad mathematics when explaining his decision
I like that his default is aggression in those decisions. Rather die by that method than someone who punts on opposing team's 40 on 4th and 1. That being said, thought 4th and 2 versus Vikings D at the end of the first half was pretty dumb even though it worked out.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 25, 2016, 10:17:29 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 25, 2016, 10:06:23 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 24, 2016, 01:36:29 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 24, 2016, 12:10:47 PM
It worked out, and that's nice and all, but I thought it was pretty pointless and borderline stupid to go for 2 in that situation.
i liked the call...certainly more than the explanation of the
But mostly I was just looking at the game situation. Score was 6-3 halfway through the 2nd qtr. A made 2pt attempt does very little for you because a td still leaves you trailing. But if you miss it, then a fg ties the game. It's not a huge deal, I'm not crucifying him over it, it's just a pretty pointless gamble at that stage in the game that didn't have a very high payout.
the score of the game is irrelevant at that time...you arent worried about 8-3 vs. 7-3...you are looking at the big picture by going for two...in theory it would turn a tie into a win for you late in the game...you are down 21-15 instead of 21-14 and can win the game..or you are up 25-17 and minny has to score a touchdown and a two to tie it putting more pressure on the opponent coming down the stretch
as for going for it in geneal....theres almost nowhere on the field and no game/score situation where i wouldnt go for it on 4th and 1
the important thing tho is doug showing off by dropping mad mathematics when explaining his decision
I get the logic. You can always make a case supporting going for 2. It's not my personal preference in that situation and the reward doesn't outweigh the risk enough, imo.
Agreed on 4th and 1 though. Once the offense is on their own 40 yard line, the punter would be an afterthought in most situations. This is probably the lifetime of Tecmo and Madden talking though.
i mean that was "4th and 1" so if you agree with almost always going for it on 4th and 1 in any circumstance im not sure why you would be against going for two there
Going for it on 4th and 1 at midfield is making an attempt to extend a drive to have a shot at a FG or TD. Going for 2 in the middle of the 2nd qtr is at best a 1 pt gain.
I'm done talking about it You like it, I don't see all that much benefit from it. FOOTBALL!!
no, please continue.
Another thing I liked later in the game: When the Eagles were about to kick a FG, and the Vikings called a time out to ice the kicker. Apparently Dougie, or Fipp, or somebody...said farg you and attempted another play into the endzone. It didn't work, but they came back and still kicked the FG.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 25, 2016, 11:28:20 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 25, 2016, 10:06:23 AM
I'm a fan of not taking points off the board.
so basically you would never ever go for two unless it was late and you needed it to win or tie because not going for an extra pt is always taking pts off the board since its a gimme...seems conservative coming from someone who just agreed with me that going for it on 4th and 1 just about anywhere anytime is the right call
I didn't like them thinking FG first in that situation anyway; plenty of time for another play
Quote from: Tomahawk on October 25, 2016, 11:44:42 AM
I didn't like them thinking FG first in that situation anyway; plenty of time for another play
this
People who have looked at this at length seem to have concluded going for 2 always make sense from the 1 unless it's late game and score dependent.
I'd think having a mobile-ish QB like Wentz would help that as well, but that's just speculative.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on October 25, 2016, 10:50:02 AM
I like that his default is aggression in those decisions. Rather die by that method than someone who punts on opposing team's 40 on 4th and 1. That being said, thought 4th and 2 versus Vikings D at the end of the first half was pretty dumb even though it worked out.
I like the aggression too. Hopefully he stays with that. His playcalling in DET was conservative so hopefully he realized that he swayed that way and will continue to stay on the aggressive side of things.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 25, 2016, 11:44:41 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 25, 2016, 11:28:20 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 25, 2016, 10:06:23 AM
I'm a fan of not taking points off the board.
so basically you would never ever go for two unless it was late and you needed it to win or tie because not going for an extra pt is always taking pts off the board since its a gimme...seems conservative coming from someone who just agreed with me that going for it on 4th and 1 just about anywhere anytime is the right call
I didn't agree that going for it on 4th & 1 all the time is the right call, I just agreed that there are few times in the game that I wouldn't go for it. I have no problem with punting on 4th and 1 most of the time. It's definitely exciting when they go for it though. I like a nice balance of logic and agression.
Unless you've been getting killed in short yardage situations in the game, going for 2 from the 1 is a no-brainer. It's like 60%+ odds which means it would be worth it even if kickers never missed XPs.